Lei Kyu Chi Da ( fighting without a bridge)

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12-02-2011, 07:25 PM
kung fu fighter

Lei Kyu Chi Da ( fighting without a bridge)

"Lei Kyu Chi Da (it means fighting without a bridge) This has to be learnt before you ever touch Chi Sau. Basically it is fighting from a distance, learning to close the distance through correct stepping techniques. Most importantly it is IMHO learning to fight a "real" Fight using Wing Chun. In all reality for the most part only a few moves are needed from Wing Chun to fight at a distance, Daap, Gou Laan, Laap Ngoi Lim, Ji Mh Choih, and Fu mei being what I would think of as the bare essentials. Guangzhou's wing chun covers this with its Sahp Yih Sik and San Sik fighting, before ever engaging in Chi Sau."

how many have experience in this, and what are some of the ways you use this strategy in fighting?
12-02-2011, 07:34 PM
Yoshiyahu

We practiced some basic outside fighting drills first...Like San Shou techniques with a partner. partner kicking drills and free style drills!

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Originally Posted by kung fu fighter

"Lei Kyu Chi Da (it means fighting without a bridge) This has to be learnt before you ever touch Chi Sau. Basically it is fighting from a distance, learning to close the distance through correct stepping techniques. Most importantly it is IMHO learning to fight a "real" Fight using Wing Chun. In all reality for the most part only a few moves are needed from Wing Chun to fight at a distance, Daap, Gou Laan, Laap Ngoi Lim, Ji Mh Choih, and Fu mei being what I would think of as the bare essentials. Guangzhou's wing chun covers this with its Sahp Yih Sik and San Sik fighting, before ever engaging in Chi Sau."

how many have experience in this, and what are some of the ways you use this strategy in fighting?
12-03-2011, 06:39 AM
wingchunIan

Maybe a different understanding of the term "bridge" but IMHO its impossible to fight without a bridge. If there's no bridge it's an argument. Whether it's your fist on their jaw, their fist on your nose, arm to arm or leg to leg unless there is contact it isn't a fight
12-03-2011, 09:19 AM
Yoshiyahu

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Originally Posted by wingchunIan

Maybe a different understanding of the term "bridge" but IMHO its impossible to fight without a bridge. If there's no bridge it's an argument. Whether it's your fist on their jaw, their fist on your nose, arm to arm or leg to leg unless there is contact it isn't a fight

Wing Chun has techniques that are utilize with out a bridge. An it has techniques that are use with a bridge. Usually techniques with out a bridge or deployed until you can create a bridge to control your opponent!!!

"controlling your opponents bridge makes the fight more favorable to you"
12-03-2011, 01:57 PM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by kung fu fighter

"Lei Kyu Chi Da (it means fighting without a bridge) This has to be learnt before you ever touch Chi Sau. Basically it is fighting from a distance, learning to close the distance through correct stepping techniques. Most importantly it is IMHO learning to fight a "real" Fight using Wing Chun. In all reality for the most part only a few moves are needed from Wing Chun to fight at a distance, Daap, Gou Laan, Laap Ngoi Lim, Ji Mh Choih, and Fu mei being what I would think of as the bare essentials. Guangzhou's wing chun covers this with its Sahp Yih Sik and San Sik fighting, before ever engaging in Chi Sau."

how many have experience in this, and what are some of the ways you use this strategy in fighting?

Lei kyu chi da. Is a misnaming. Lei kyu doesn't match with chi da.

The issue of wing Chun today is that lots of people thinking real life fighting got to fit into the yks/ip man Chi sau platform or frame. Knowing not that chi sau platformis just a drill yks/Ipman evolve for a certain purpose. And get trap in WCK has to look this way structure this way and the world is according to this platform. Well, that is not the case. For no drilling platform could fully cover the reality or world.

Real fight is a natural phenomenon without fix shape. In fact, in the old kuen kit from the emei 12 zhuang or snake sides says :there is no fix shape/stuture/platform in real life applications. The body and the applications of the art is supporting each other as one in all situation.

So, WCK is just a method to train and prepare one to the real fight or martial applications. Thinking there is such thing as a wing Chun way with gorven the reality is an illusion by itself. Reality is not a movie ,where in the movie the director tailor the show and it's movement to center at WCK training method , and frame the world in the movie within the frame or boundary of WCK. In real life that is not the case.

Simply, if you fight a guy not as good as you, you force the fight with your WCK. If you fight a guy who is better then you. You take the beating and no WCK.

So how can one chi da with a mt, a CLF, a bjj, a boxer?
12-04-2011, 01:31 PM
Lee Chiang Po

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

Lei kyu chi da. Is a misnaming. Lei kyu doesn't match with chi da.

The issue of wing Chun today is that lots of people thinking real life fighting got to fit into the yks/ip man Chi sau platform or frame. Knowing not that chi sau platformis just a drill yks/Ipman evolve for a certain purpose. And get trap in WCK has to look this way structure this way and the world is according to this platform. Well, that is not the case. For no drilling platform could fully cover the reality or world.

Real fight is a natural phenomenon without fix shape. In fact, in the old kuen kit from the emei 12 zhuang or snake sides says :there is no fix shape/stuture/platform in real life applications. The body and the applications of the art is supporting each other as one in all situation.

So, WCK is just a method to train and prepare one to the real fight or martial applications. Thinking there is such thing as a wing Chun way with gorven the reality is an illusion by itself. Reality is not a movie ,where in the movie the director tailor the show and it's movement to center at WCK training method , and frame the world in the movie within the frame or boundary of WCK. In real life that is not the case.

Simply, if you fight a guy not as good as you, you force the fight with your WCK. If you fight a guy who is better then you. You take the beating and no WCK.

So how can one chi da with a mt, a CLF, a bjj, a boxer?

This is true. Wing Chun can give you an edge, but it does not make you bullet proof. There will be times when you take a thrashing, no matter how good you might be. Seeking a bridge means just that. You try to put your opponent into a position where you can take control of him, but it is fleeting and haphazard at best and you have to make it count. Once he realizes what you are doing he will not be taken by surprise again. So at this point you need to be able to fight using your Wing Chun without a bridge. If you are good you might prevail. If not, you might get your clock punched. But that is true of any fighting system.
12-05-2011, 10:06 AM
mjw

We do a thing called tan gan dip where we stand with hands up and the other throws hooks, uppercuts, straights etc and you have to shift block and strike then do combinations then they throw doubles or triples b4 we get too deep into chi sao.....
12-05-2011, 10:45 AM
kung fu fighter

wing chun works great at close range, but besides kicking what strategies and tools do you have to fight at mid range?
12-05-2011, 12:52 PM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by kung fu fighter

wing chun works great at close range, but besides kicking what strategies and tools do you have to fight at mid range?

What is the biu jee, kim jee. Technics are for?

Yik kam slt kuen kuit said:

Shoulder bong elbow and sword finger presented to the hero.

Meaning, touch body using shoulder, close range using elbow, long range finger technics, the art of slt is a holistic art.
12-05-2011, 04:57 PM
kung fu fighter

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

What is the biu jee, kim jee. Technics are for?

Yik kam slt kuen kuit said:

Shoulder bong elbow and sword finger presented to the hero.

Meaning, touch body using shoulder, close range using elbow, long range finger technics, the art of slt is a holistic art.

thanks Hendrik,

Can you give a little more details on what this means? " Shoulder bong elbow and sword finger presented to the hero."
12-05-2011, 10:10 PM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by kung fu fighter

thanks Hendrik,

Can you give a little more details on what this means? " Shoulder bong elbow and sword finger presented to the hero."

It simply means wing Chun 1850 is a whole range martial art with various weapons of the body range.
12-06-2011, 11:31 AM
LoneTiger108

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Originally Posted by kung fu fighter

"Lei Kyu Chi Da (it means fighting without a bridge) This has to be learnt before you ever touch Chi Sau. Basically it is fighting from a distance, learning to close the distance through correct stepping techniques. Most importantly it is IMHO learning to fight a "real" Fight using Wing Chun. In all reality for the most part only a few moves are needed from Wing Chun to fight at a distance, Daap, Gou Laan, Laap Ngoi Lim, Ji Mh Choih, and Fu mei being what I would think of as the bare essentials. Guangzhou's wing chun covers this with its Sahp Yih Sik and San Sik fighting, before ever engaging in Chi Sau."

how many have experience in this, and what are some of the ways you use this strategy in fighting?

FME and drawing from the curriculum I use, I have 30-40 lines that can all be taught as a sansau with or without a 'chisau' interactive platform.
12-06-2011, 02:56 PM
couch

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

What is the biu jee, kim jee. Technics are for?

Exactly my thinking.