Tan Saus....LOTS of Tan Saus.....LOL
Hi All,
I have a question about the number of Tan Sau's that are found in Sil Lim Tau.
Without really thinking, it is easy to find at least Three. The Tau Sau that comes straight out in the first section, then in teh third section you have the Tan sau that comes off of the Gaun Sau, and also the Tan Sau that comes from the Bong Sau. What is the purpose of showing it that way, and are there any others?
Thanks,
BIG Sean Madigan
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my ideas on tan difference
Hi Dave,
I've quoted you in italics. I've also snipped.
I believe you and I kow the same person teaching in New Jersey.
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
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I am curious as to how they are different since each one seems to expand on the idea of the one before it. Kind of like an evolutionary concept. They all seem to be variations on a theme.
Partly, my idea comes from the 1st form (as shown to me.) There are three distinct tan saus (not the same one done three times). IMO each one builds on a concept of the previous one, except that the concept is applied in a different way for different reasons. For example, one could say the 1st tan could emphasize 'cutting/deflecting', the 2nd could emphasize 'pushing/thrusting', and the 3rd could emphasize 'whipping/sweeping'. I like your evolution analogy. Darwin would say we evolved from primates - but are we the same as primates even though we are expanding on the 'survival' theme from before?
Returning to my analogy of driving a car. If you drive on a country road, a windy moutain road or in the city, does your driving change or do you still apply the same concepts to a different situation?
Nice analogy. Feeling. I would apply my (3) tan tools as needed by the situation ;-)
What I am getting at is simply this; Wing Chun "Techniques" are more about understanding the concept and principle behind the application rather than about a specific shape or position.
I cannot agree with you more. No can learn fighting from a form. Someone may understand theories and concepts but lack the feeling make it work. The point is how do we get the proper understanding and feeling. Also - what is the evaluation criteria (fitness function) to determine a better way of doing something? To me this comes from a premise that is necessary from day one of one's studies. Everything you learn should be evaluated against that premise.
Therefore I would tend to stay with my original assertion that there is only one Taun but many variaitons of that Taun. While it is possible to assume many different roles and even shapes, the concept and principle remain the same. <snip>
I would say the same except, 'there are only three tan saus and every 'tan' is a variation of one of the three'
Even in your example of the three Tauns you seem to be saying that each one builds upon the ides of the first so in realisty would it be fair to say they are the same yet varied to fit the specific circumstance and need?
See primates above.
Following the concept of Taun you can build many "techniques". You can do Taun with the srm stright and parallel, with the arm angled 45', with the wrist bent etc etc. Yet, each of these is a variation of the same theme. One of the reasons Taun is considered one of the Three Seeds is for this reason, it can be varied and produce a number of offspring.
I agree ;-)
Taun can be an interesting concept to discuss. For example, the HFY people produced an article asserting there was on One Taun and one time to use it in the confines of time and space. What they were getting at is not so much that there is only one Taun but that there is only one proper time to execute it. In other words if it meets the needs use Taun if you need something else use it. <...snip>
Hey - is it called 'A brief history of Tan'? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] (joke)
In any event I am enjoying this conversation so please let us continue.
Likewise,
Kind Regards,
Marcus