Pulling a Knife From the Mount-Grapplers?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Also if somebody grappled me like the Gracies due, I would gut em with my knife. No rules in a streetfight, anything goes. If I though my life was in danger I would pick up a brick and crack there head open, shank em, break there neck, pick up a broom and beat em, throw dirt in there eyes.
Eric Larson
Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu[/quote]
This brings up an interesting point. According to the article posted under the "Reality of the Blade" topic, around 1 in every 4 times a knife is successfully pulled on someone it is pulled by a mounted opponent.
In other words. The average is that, you get in three fights on the street, get all three down, and mount all three; the next time you do that, the odds are that he will successfully pull a knife from underneath you.
I understand, those statistics are not asking if the either one of the participants was a martial artist, much less a skilled grapler. And that does make all the difference in the world.
However, since it does apparently seem to come up on the street, do any of you that study the ground game as a regular practice plan for someone pulling a knife from the mount?
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
I would never pull a knife....
I don't carry a knife and don't plan to, but if you were going to knife someone, the most advantageous position would be from the mount.
Taking a knife from someone or isolating the arm with the knife would be very easy if you are in the mount and are mounted on the guy with the knife. The reason for this is that someone who is mounted has no power behind their strikes and is also out-ranged by the guy sitting on their chest.
But I would have to agree, that if someone is on you in the mount and has a knife it is a bad thing.
You would want to deflect the initial strike and hope he doesn't get an artery or main vein, and then while his arm is extended go for an immediate arm bar or triangle choke or reversal.
To react immmediatly would be your only option, you couldn't try and wear him down like you could in a non-weapon groundfight.
As a fighter who crosstrains in Brazilian jujitsu, I try to use my stand up Wing Chun against someone if they have a weapon. After the intial confrontation and I have asserted that there is no weapon involved I will usually use my Wing Chun to get into throwing range and go straight down to the ground.
If there is a weapon involved I simply try to run.
Out of the many fights I was in the the corps, I only involved in two where I had no escape from the person who pulled the weapon on me.
In one scenario, I was in a very crowed e-club and a squidly (sailor) broke a bottle and came at me. I was completely surrounded by people so I faced him square off. He thrust at my face with the bottle and I can't remember whether I used a tahn sau or pak sau, but regardless I cleared his arm to the side and hit him in the jaw so hard he dropped like a sack of potatoes.
The second instance I had a knife pulled on me, also in a club, and like an idiot I decided to Thai kick the guy in the ribs. The kick worked and he fell over in pain, but when I pulled my leg back it had a knife stuck in it. I got a nice scar from that one.
ps: that fu**ing squid ended up being an E-6, and although I was acting in self defense and he was the one who pulled the weapon I lost a rank.
-jojitsu27