Brucey baby still learnt and practised forms!!!
even though bruce decided to create jkd, he still practised forms. he studied many systems never completeing one and designed his own style and never completed hi own jkd. all concepts and conditioning drills, reflex and sensitivity 2 man drills, dummy and bag work are still like form work.
without the another person jkd is all form like every other style.
boxing combos, footwork are all forms!!!
nothing wrong with forms, you need to have forms to perfect and develop proper skills.
i thought i would just mention this for WORD! :D
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Boxing a form? Boxing a martial art?
I'm seeing the word form, martial and art thrown around a lot.
Form should define BOUNDARY CONDITIONS.
Boundary conditions allow for creativity and innovation because working within them leads to fruition of creativity and innovation.
"Making things up" isnt so bad if you have ETHICS and MORALS. Ethics in greek, originally meant HABITS. Morals, in my nonmenclature, is the operationalization of ETHICS. For the lay, the application of habits.
Its like comparing Aristolian logic with Hegelian logic (oxymora). One is arithmetic, but timeless. Hegelian logic (oxymora) or Dialectical logic is contectual. But contextual, and tensegretic when coming from a ethical/moral platform.
What good is form without function? Form FOLLOWS function. Its somewhat cosmological. As FORM is the combined "equasion" of, for instance, the X, Y and Z axis in mathematics.
In biotic systems. X, Y and Z represent genetic or cellular components. The FORM, seperate from the concept of END result or eschatology, is the COMBINATION of those components. Not components of these scalar structures. Without FORM you have dysfunction or mutation. Because the code attempts to "make something up" outside the boundary conditions it should operate in.
Its like riff compositions in music. Its rather oxymoronic. Riffs are compositions (a combination of components of a scalar structure), but you dont compose music with riffs. They are simply components of the scalar structure of music. Which technically has no concrete theory.
You do not need to have knowlege of music theory to write or play music. Certainly, you dont have to do eaither to ENJOY music. But it helps in ones UNDERSTANDING of what amounts to "intuitive rules defined by experienced listeners."
Martial is toughy. Art is toughy. Martial art is real toughy. How does one get experienced at Martial? By kicking butt or getting ones butt kicked? Neither. Again, its paradoxical.
Semantics? Probably. Because I dont think enough people have a definite answer. Apart from some mumbo jumbo about peace and love and buddha, and cultivating potentially lethal skills "only for self-defense".
Components without a center are not MUSIC. Form, IMO, is a center, a synthesis or nucleus of components.
Shaolin, for example, is TOTALLY elementary. This statement, has been the result of some conflicts in the past. Mainly because things were not explained enough. Shaolin is composed of (at least used to be) components.
Basics: Stance
Stationary Upper body: Punches,blocks
Footwork: Stance transitions
Advanced footwork: Stepping (patterns)
Basic form: Combine stance transitions with upper body Ie- Horse, fists on hips to bow stance punch.
Now there you have your basic Fa Jing. Which only technically works, when you have that energy stored up FROM the stance holding....
Is form important? You tell me. There are more sophisticated forms out there. But, take a look at the Platonic dialoge SOPHIST and learn a bit more about the classical usage of that word.
Long quote coming up:
"Why should you wonder? It is not merely in art that the body is the soul. In every sphere of life Form is the beginning of things. The rhythmic harmonious gestures of dancing convey, Plato tells us, both rhythm and harmony into the mind. Forms are the food of faith, cried Newman in one of those great moments of sincerity that make us admire and know the man. He was right, though he may not have known how terribly right he was. The Creeds are believed, not because they are rational, but because they are repeated. Yes: Form is everything. It is the secret of life. Find expression for a sorrow,and it will become dear to you. Find expression for a joy, and you intensify its ecstasy. Do you wish to love? Use Love's Litany, and the words will create the yearning from which the world fancies that they spring. Have you a grief that corrodes your heart? Steep yourself in the Language of grief, learn its utterance from Prince Hamlet and Queen Constance, and you will find that mere expression is a mode of consolation, and that Form, which is the birth of passion, is also the death of pain. And so, to return to the sphere of Art, it is Form that creates not merely the critical temperament, but also the aesthetic instinct, that unerring instinct that reveals to one all things under their conditions of beauty. Start with the worship of form, and there is no secret in art that will not be revealed to you, and remember that in criticism, as in creation, temperament is everything, and that it is, not by the time of their production, but by the temperaments to which they appeal, that the schools of art should be historically grouped." --Intentions by oscar wilde
"Rhythm without harmony is imitation" --Aristotle _Poetics_
Anyways, I prefer the term, Martial artifice.
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