Everyone always says brazilian jiu jitsu, here are old chinese kung fu photos from early 1900's
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Everyone always says brazilian jiu jitsu, here are old chinese kung fu photos from early 1900's
NOW.... where have I seen these before...lol
didn't we have this discussion about the same pics before? :D
There is some debate as to where Shaui CHiao got those moves, with some argueing that they came from Judo, to which the early 1900's chinese MA were exposed to by the japanese.
This Judo is where BJJ came from by the way, so the question isn't "kung fo or BJJ" but more correctly:
Kung fu submissions and BJJ, same origins?
Egyptian BJJ out lineages them all!!! :eek:
Grappling, older than the hills on grannies chest and twice as dusty !!
Of course some of those pictures look more like the Kama sutra than MA, LOL !
aye... wrestling/grappling has been around as long as people have. I would consider it the oldest style.Quote:
Grappling, older than the hills on grannies chest and twice as dusty !!
This:
http://www.athens-greece.us/athens-m...g-children.jpg
is from approx 1550 BCE
boxing.... it's old too. :)
roots are interwoven in human history.Quote:
Many people seem to be under the impression that Greek Pankration influenced Kalarippayattu, though there are references to other arts prior to it, dating back to 2nd c. BCE.
Pankration, frankly, is not known today. The revival form of the art is known to be considerably different from the original art practiced throughout the Helenic States... Further, it is predated itself by boxing (pygmachia) and wrestling (pale), which, again, have roots as far back as Sumeria (2600 BCE).
http://www.mardb.com/malla-yuddha/
I must have missed the previous discussion on it.
no biggie, just stating I remember commenting on the photos and as Ronin stated there was discrepancies towards them and the originality of them is all i remember.
:rolleyes:
I don't recall the previous discussion ...what's the source of the photos and what kf style are they associated with?
My first kf instructor had the glyphs on the wall of the school.....presented as proof of the kemetic origins of fighting arts ......