so has anyone heard about the shaolin do performance at the shaolin temple long ago? i heard it was amazing :rolleyes:
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so has anyone heard about the shaolin do performance at the shaolin temple long ago? i heard it was amazing :rolleyes:
GGM Soo Kong Tai Jin was the name given to the child at the temple later in his training I do not recall the original name. also Master Ie might have taken a different name as was the custom in Indonesiia at that time of Chinese Immigrants KC :) Good discussion
Uhhhh.... Wasn't there but unforgetable :p The one from mid to later 90s? Hopefully there were some that performed well, Gene stated some shouldn't have performed in his opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolinlueb
Now that we can trace the SD art to the Shaolin Temples via the "Kun Tao" article I posted we can all just enjoy each others company on the web and stop trying to slander an Art and it s practioners, lets end it now and acknowledge the truth of SD and its history "thank you thank you very much Elvis has left the bldg KC :) :rolleyes: :p :eek:
kc - "GGM Soo Kong Tai Jin was the name given to the child at the temple later in his training..."
I'm not sure about that...the thing that prompted me to start thinking about the name Su Kong was a line from something I read of Master Hiang's. In it he was referred to as Grandmaster Tai Jin, glancing around over there I didn't see them refer to him as "GM Su Kong" either. Su Kong could EASILY be a phonic interpretation of the Chinese shigung which means grandmaster.
Su Kong Tai Jin is a person GM Sin never met, when GM Ie referred to him it would make sense that he would add the honorific. I think current SD students trying to ALSO add the honorific have ended up saying the title twice. Gold Tiger stated...either earlier in this or in another thread... that he hadn't heard the higherups call him Grandmaster Su Kong and that it was a possibility.
A mangled transmission of information occuring between the time in Indonesia and the U.S. What might have been lost/changed/altered between China and Indonesia? Shaolin-do is it's own thing now. Closer to (admittedly only arts I've read about) kuntao than current kungfu, in my opinion.
You may be right but I am sure his name was different prior to entering the temple, meaning other than Tai Jin Tai means grand as in Tai Chi, or can mean other things I know context and all. I am sure I have heard another name but cant recall what it was the name Su Kong was prob added later after his studies and later in life maybe after he was considered the Mastyer at Fukien Temple KC :)
If he was left to die, I doubt that he had a name as his parents wouldn't have named him.
I agree with you but I know the child had another name maybe Im just getting old and senile. Il research it further. Very astute observation about the title and all I knew that but never put 2 and 2 togethor thinking about forms and all, e-mail me and let me know where you are KC :(
They could have shaved his name into his chest before leaving him in the forest. :p
I think Rad's right. SD is closer to kun tao then kung fu, but it is it's own animal now. Many things have been lost in translation or left out which have changed our art somewhat. Not that it's a bad thing, it is just different than other CMA arts that have been filtered through other countries and cultures. Some things we do are very traditional. . . . other things are contemporary and added to satisfy the culture of the time and place.
With regard to our interaction with other art. . . . Live and let live. It is arrogant for us to authoritatively state that we know everything about their art because we practice some of it. Look for similarities, appreciate the differences and treat all with respect and an attitude of learning. If we all did that, and talked less about how great we were, I think less people would have a problem with SD. Of course there's always Fred Sanford. . . . :D But, as annoying as he can be, I can look for something to respect him. . . . he recently went to Iraq to help with security, so you have to give props to anyone who puts himself out there like that.
I know some people who are looking into the kung tao link, and have found some leads into current teachers and schools with links to the teachers that taught along GM Ie. Nothing authoritative yet, but there's information out there if people are willing to dig. I hope his research turns up some interesting ideas about SD, kung tao, and shaolin kung fu.
So the Moooovie is coming out soon then eh? All the research has been done? Tracks are being covered,,,copywrites in place? actors selected? the set is being built to start shooting? Miss wangs world of hair is getting a big order in for the actors and stunt doubles? and i will just bet New Zealand is where things are being filmed? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I hope its a musical :cool: i hope i hope i hope. :D
regarding that name tai jin...I think the shigong or soo kong is right in that it refers to the creator of the style. However tai jin or tai ren in mandarin refers to tai as in extreme and ren just means person, so extreme person. Tai doesn't mean grand in the way you may think of it. Draw your own conclusions after that.
anyway. Hsing-i interests me, and tiger fork. Hsing-i loosely translates as "old man hit hard"?
SCENE 1 ACT ONE:
Fades to: an early morning Temple,,the Mist gently Clings to the bamboo,,and the whiporwills chirp the rising of the sun.
Cuts to: the Door of the temple and a mysterious woman running away leaving behind at the door a Basket (with something in side :( )
Cuts to: the lesser monks waking up and slowly muddling about yawning and stretching,,waking up. An early Morning GONG breaks the silence and echoes through the trees and mountains.
Cuts to: The Door to the temple opens up and a monks steps out with his broom to sweep away the fall leaves on the steps when he notices the basket laying there,,covered and something moving within it.
He opens the basket............................................ .................................................. .................................................. .................................
:eek: HORY SH!T!!!!! (MUSIC STARTS,,GRROOVY JAZZ WITH CHINESE VIOLINS AND ELECTRIC GUITARS,,,its music music music music,,BROADWAY MUSIC)
Monk is running with the basket throgh the temple singing "Look at what i found what i found what i found,,Look at THIS OMG Look at THIS ,,LOOK AT THISSSSS"
Monks chorus as they are flipping and doing acrobatics some meditating opening thier eyes all singing " WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHATS THE BUZZ TELL me WHATS a HAPPENIN Whats the BUZZ tell me whats a happenin WHATS the Buzz tell me whats a happenin,,,,What did you find what did you find what did you fiiiiinnnnnnnd???"
monk solo: I found a baby at the door its a real,, wierd,, baby,, it has lots of hair i think it may be a dog :eek: i dont know i dont know im confused,,,whats this whats this?
at this time the dancing monks parade around the monk with the basket holding the hairy baby (the music is really hoppin now) MONKS CHORUS: LET US SEE LET US SEE LET US SEE SEE SEEEE"
one monk: OMG WHAT IS THAT
another monk: I DONT KNOW I DONT KNOW
yet another monk: ITS A DEMON ITS A DEMON OMG ITS A DEMON
and yet another monk" WE SHOULD THROW IT DOWN THE WELL,,,WE SHOULD THROW IT DOWN THE WELL.
All Monks: I AGREE I AGREE WE SHOULD THROW IT DOWN THE WELL<<WE SHOULD THROW IT DOWN THE WELL<<<
Monks shouting: THROW IT IN THE WELL!!!!
Monk holding basket clutches it tightly and SHOUTS: WAIT!!!!! (then silence)
(happy positive new age music now) " we are buuuudhists we are buuuuuudhists
we should be merciful and kind,,that is our way,,lets not give ourselves in to fear,,,,let us spare this unfortunate chillld,,let us spare himmmmmmmm
Monks chorus: "Buddhas name be praised buddhas name be praised"
small monk in the background with high whiney voice "Lets take him to the abbot"?
All monks look at the small monk,,,then the Groovy 70's braodway jazz starts up again. Chorus"yes we will take him to the abbot we will take him to the abbot,,to the aboot to the abbot we will gooooooooooo(they all stop and look at the camera and say) "WHATA GREAT IDEA" chorus: To the abbot to the abbot to the abbot we will go.
All Monks enter with Hairy baby to the main temple hass flipping and doing acrobatics,,some meditating and there in the golden chair is the abbot and they put the basket with the Hairy baby in from of him. They back away and watch intensely as the abbot walks over and looks at the Hairy demon looking child.
ABBOT: WE WILL TEACH HIM.........................KUNG FU!!!!!! :eek: :eek:
AND HIS NAME WILL BE ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SU. :eek: :eek:
END ACT ONE SCENE ONE. (Whew Boy oh boy thats alot of work :o )
You have too much time on your hands Willow. Maybe you should let some of that energy out in training.
So Willow you are a fan of Jesus Christ Super Star I saw Ted Neely the original on stage at 53 years still singing the high notes it was incredible keep going I am printing this and am going to be a millionaire. Its actually very creative. KC Judge is right though maybe more training will help. :o