Bwahahahahaaa!!!
This is coming from someone who beats people up on the subway because he doesn't like how loudly they talk.....
OK, I'll remember to take your advice.
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Every saint has a past - and every sinner has a future. :D :rolleyes:
What's interesting is that Victor accepts that a person needs to spar to develop skill, yet apparently doesn't accept that the quality of that sparring is all that important! A unique perspective. I guess that means because I can now just confine my rolling to white belts -- it's sure a lot easier than dealing with those pesky blues and purples, not to mention browns/blacks -- and develop a good game. ;)
Some guys are too insecure to take the ego bashing it takes to get good.
Please stop by my school sometime, Terence.
Any Monday 7-9 pm....any Wedneday 7-9 pm....any Saturday (12-3pm).
The next time you're in NYC.
After reading your posts for a few years now - I think it's time for me to admit that I might need some instruction from you.
1302 Avenue H....Brooklyn, NY (corner of East 13 Street).
You don't even have to give me any advance notice - just show up. ;)
Fight! Fight! Fight!
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BTW, here are some unknown cans fighting on tiles. Just for the archive.
If I'm ever in NYC I'll be happy to meet with you. Maybe we can both go down to Renzo's or Matt's and learn something. :)
One of the main reasons MMA fighters get so good is that they are very open-minded and willing to meet/train with anyone good who can help them increase their performance. The I-already-have/know-the-superior-stuff-and-don't-need-anything-else view is so rooted in the belief -structure of the TMAs. People who get out and cross-train (spar) with good people in other methods will not have that view; they'll know better from experience.
I know that sometimes I come off as arrogant, but I'm not at all. How can anyone be arrogant who is getting their ass-kicked routinely like I am (and I'll admit it)? When I first began BJJ, some of my guys came to watch me roll and saw me get tapped out by a girl! They still kid me about it (asking me if I'm still ducking her). So my attitude is not that I'm so great -- I *know* that I'm not -- but rather my attitude is most people in the TMAs, including WCK, are not nearly so good as they believe they are. I know from experience the kinds of things anyone and everyone has to do to get good (because every single person I've seen who is good, i.e., has good fighting skills, has done those things, regardless of their martial art).
Even your "Catch" heroes have cross-trained (everyone in MMA cross-trains) with top-level BJJ guys; didn't Sak even go train with Chute Boxe? (Wanderlei is a BJJ BB now, btw). Alan, who has trained in Catch works on his ground game with Millis, a BJJ BB. Catch, sambo, judo, BJJ, etc. are all good methods, but skill doesn't come from the method but the training you do. The Gracies are right when they say, "You only get as good as your training (sparring) partners." That is an iron-pipe truth.
Terrence sez: I know that sometimes I come off as arrogant, but I'm not at all. How can anyone be arrogant who is getting their ass-kicked routinely like I am (and I'll admit it)? When I first began BJJ, some of my guys came to watch me roll and saw me get tapped out by a girl! They still kid me about it (asking me if I'm still ducking her). So my attitude is not that I'm so great -- I *know* that I'm not -- but rather my attitude is most people in the TMAs, including WCK, are not nearly so good as they believe they are.
One has to question the worth of your suggestions. If you are so poor that you routinely get beaten, why are you constantly advocating your losing methods?
Would any parents send their children to a school that rountinely fares poorly at what they suppose to teach?
Would you learn from a driving instructor that routinely crashes the car?
He means that he is always seeking out people who are better than him to train with... that's how one gets better.
The myth of the invincible, unbeatable instructor is just that... a myth.
Good teachers regularly take seminars and continuing education classes from people who know more about a specific area than they do.
Sparring and getting beaten by better people is the equivalent to that for fighters.
1. If you aren't routinely getting beaten (ie, you're the best guy in your school), it's time to find a new school. You are going to have a hard time getting better there. Which is what he's advocating - go find people who CAN beat you.Quote:
One has to question the worth of your suggestions. If you are so poor that you routinely get beaten, why are you constantly advocating your losing methods?
2. If you've ever taken BJJ, you'll know that getting tapped out by a chick, if you have no prior experience, is definitely on the table.
Ah, and how do we determine if the school is any good? By TESTING the students, specifically against their ability to deal with progressively harder material. See above...Quote:
Would any parents send their children to a school that rountinely fares poorly at what they suppose to teach?
A red herring here. A person who consistently loses may simply be testing themselves/competing against way better competition. This is, in fact, what the Avellan bros did, as I recall. They were brand new to the submission aspect of the grappling game and consistenly entered the absolutely toughest divisions at each tournament. They lost alot.Quote:
Would you learn from a driving instructor that routinely crashes the car?
They don't lose any more.
Both MP and KF have answered this -- and that's not surprising since they both have the experience (more than I have, I'm sure) so that they understand what I'm talking about. And it's not surprising that you don't understand what I'm talking about either -- since you lack that experience and are caught up in the TMA belief-structure.
FWIW, I'm not saying that I am poorly skilled (certainly I have more skills than any theoretician nonfighter around), just that I train with really good people, the best I can find. I get beaten up all the time because this is what happens to everyone who fights and trains to fight, even recreationally like me. If you go to any place where fighters train you'll see it for yourself.
But I already answered your question -- I know because there is a commonality in training among all good fighters, regardless of their style/art/method. I am not saying that people concerned with developing skill should practice that way because I say so or because I am their role model (God forbid!) but because this is what all the really good people do to develop skill. It's blatantly obvious for anyone who isn't wearing the blinders of the TMA belief-structure.
On the other hand, if developing skill in WCK (fighting) isn't your objective/interest or if you want to forever suck in terms of skill, then train like those people who don't have skill -- the traditional guys, the masters and grandmasters, the theoretical nonfighters. They've spent a lot of time, often generations, developing better and better ways of not developing skill, adding layers upon layers of silly theory, supporting it all with fake history, and lately appeals to being "scientific". They even recently created forms competitions, chi sao competitions, etc. for people in this group.
I have found there is a sub-group of guys in BJJ... these are the guys who only roll hard against people who aren't as good as good as them. Whenever they go against someone who is better, they are suddenly "just coming back from an injury and have to take it easy, taking a rest day, or have to sit this one out". These people progress very slowly compared to those who spar against better people.
Even (and especially) those who are at the top of their game seek out those who are better, or at least as good, to train against.
Good people also get caught by their lesser skilled training partners because they are constantly putting themselves in disadvantaged situations to make their training harder.