Thank you for sharing your very imaginative speculation.
I dont need your credit and I dont agree with you.
Not to mention you dont know Cho familly art and not in a position to address what is or what is not. and also you dont know me.
peace
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Hmmmm interesting point.
Just sharing my observations.
We did a test once with resistance, where one held a centreline fist, and took a step forward and the other pushed against both hands against the punching hand. It displaced the pusher. e.g chung choi and push
Then we did one where the centreline was not observed, fly elbow and it was not able to displace the person. e.g Bong Sao position and push
Agree totally about not clamping anything. Its never fixed static. But the elbow position is not a fixed position.
Some masters I know, teach it with a clamped armpit. Where it is always closed, not open.
Alan, Master Alan Orr.....? Your expertise in structure would be nice???? Heh heh...
You see, lot of people assume. and then using thier assumption to critic or verify others. instead of observe what is reality.
as for what my sifu called his knive set, as I said, take a poll in PG within my sihengs-dai and see what they called it.
You know why I mention these? because within our siheng-dai we are very close and Sifu treat all of us equal.
There was a gathering after sifu passed way, and there is a record on what sifu called the set or how the set is.
So, why speculate something one doesnt know which could cause the art to be distorted?
As I mention before on what my chinese NeiGong sifu told me, when Some westerners went to China after the opium war, they started to VERIFY chinese history, NOpe, it cant be ten thousand years, so, it must be only 2 thousand years. and then when they saw the NeiGong and TCM, they said nope this is not scientific, it must be this way. this doesnt work we know better, and over night all everything the Chinese Done was wrong according to thier verifcation.
The truth and fact is Chinese art is losing big time. my NeiGong sifu is very sad when he mention this. he also told us, a few years ago there is a reporter got into train accident in China and brain dead, Western medicine cant do a thing. But with Traditional Chinese threatment the reporter got heal and awake. Everything has its characteristics, we just have to learn to observe what is what before speculate.
So,
if we love the art, and we would like to preserve the art. IMHO, stop non sense specualtion and stop to playing expert on the field one has no idea.
Since you ask me to share,
In the ancient time, one spend almost two years, everyday 2 hours just to practice breathing in the equal shoulder stance until one could know and handle the basic resonance and heat up the Dan Dien, entering the state, before could learn advance power generation. and today, how many hours do we stand in a year to claim we are an expert? expert in what? What is internal art? what is external art? if one doesnt even have a clue what research beside talking like a parrot? So ask ourself, could our Dan Die heat up at will? if not forget about investigating Yik Kam's SLT. one just has no ability to know it period, one doesnt have enought preparation.
even in the Cantonese opera, people practice the water sleeve for years and years.
But we today, search the web, has no transmision of the lineage, no process, no practice, and the more we speculate the more we think we are expert.
then we start to make claim that we are expert to judge others. That is how different between us and the old time.
As my late sifu GM Cho Hung-Choy taught us, train and not talk. eventhought GM Cho Hung-Choy is famous in Kong Sau in PG but he never ever talk about who he defeat to me in all the decade I study with him. He always told me kong sau is between person, never down play other's style. and it is not a hero to "sell news paper" on who you defeat.
further more, the 13 spear, there are different 13 spear and Yik kam lineage has its own uniqueness.
Howeve I am not going to release more information anymore because I have realized I was wrong to release information.
I do it with the heart of sharing. but others might take they are the expert after learning some ancient terminology--- they thought they know it all by just knowing the name. They are not wrong and I have to stop sharing to not mislead them.
peace
[QUOTE=Shadow_warrior8;752850]Hmmmm interesting point.
Just sharing my observations.
We did a test once with resistance, where one held a centreline fist, and took a step forward and the other pushed against both hands against the punching hand. It displaced the pusher. e.g chung choi and push
Then we did one where the centreline was not observed, fly elbow and it was not able to displace the person. e.g Bong Sao position and push
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Shadow,
Since you are my junior, If I may, I would like to honestly tell you. you dont have clue on what WuJI is talking about and what you know doesnt work in real life. you could train another life time and you couldnt come close to Inch Jing Join Power. Not to mention the Chong JIng shake.
It is no accident that the Yee Chuan's founder WXZ parr with the White Craner. White Crane is no joke. IMHO.
Inch JIng join power is no Joke, it is much much faster and power full then your step foward stuffs which is very low technology in real application. it could be non stop issuing.... however, without process, one cant enter into the door.
There are White Crane High Hand including Eric here, so people can read our kung fu by just read our post. Be really carefull. They didnt say much because they have high moduk and high wisdom.
So, IMHO, this is a place to ask and learn. One can learn alots from these brothers and the clip.
If you know hokkien, lots of Key points has been reveal generously from Eric's clips. dont take it lightly.
I say enough, hope that I dont bore you to death
Peace
Brother Hendrik,
Take it easy ... we have all sort of trees in the WuLin forest.
I had an unfortune experience of sending some of my White Crane stuff to a clown and he ended up abusing them even to this day.. but I'm okay;fire cannot cover paper.
To not share is, imho, inviting more speculations. This is also something that I discussed at length with many of the Masters that I've met these last few months. Many are, as you must know, from the conservatist school of thoughts as far as CKF is concerned. It's good to find out that they want to put out materials for all to examine.
And bro, remember, we are at different points in our journey ... enlightenment comes with efforts...
Got another clip from my Penang trip :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0mmlMb-X9A
Master Saw is a refreshing change for me; english speaking and straight talking with strong views about how traditional arts should be imparted. He was kind enough to get 2 of his students to do some basic Monkey forms.
Master Saw also demonstrated a couple of his fighting techniques with his student, Douglas Elson, from England.
Warmest Regards.
Eric
Brother Hendrik,
Got another clip for you ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieChbod8Z4E
Pics taken from various parts of Penang, some kung fu shots and schools etc...
Enjoy.
Warmest Regards.
Eric
[QUOTE=Hendrik;752853][QUOTE=Shadow_warrior8;752850]Hmmmm interesting point.
Just sharing my observations.
We did a test once with resistance, where one held a centreline fist, and took a step forward and the other pushed against both hands against the punching hand. It displaced the pusher. e.g chung choi and push
Then we did one where the centreline was not observed, fly elbow and it was not able to displace the person. e.g Bong Sao position and push
I appreciate your comments. And not just because you are a senior in Ban Chung.Quote:
Shadow,
Since you are my junior, If I may, I would like to honestly tell you. you dont have clue on what WuJI is talking about and what you know doesnt work in real life. you could train another life time and you couldnt come close to Inch Jing Join Power. Not to mention the Chong JIng shake.
It is no accident that the Yee Chuan's founder WXZ parr with the White Craner. White Crane is no joke. IMHO.
Inch JIng join power is no Joke, it is much much faster and power full then your step foward stuffs which is very low technology in real application. it could be non stop issuing.... however, without process, one cant enter into the door.
There are White Crane High Hand including Eric here, so people can read our kung fu by just read our post. Be really carefull. They didnt say much because they have high moduk and high wisdom.
So, IMHO, this is a place to ask and learn. One can learn alots from these brothers and the clip.
If you know hokkien, lots of Key points has been reveal generously from Eric's clips. dont take it lightly.
I say enough, hope that I dont bore you to death
Peace
A lifetime? Hmmmm.... I dont agree but partly because you are the person who told me about positive thinking and believing you can do it.
As for being clueless, well, what can I say, its been a long time since we have met. If I cant do it, I am sure some of my Sifus can. So they have provided some clues through the years
However, in the spirit of learning which is true humility, it is good for pondering, reflection and emptying of my cup. I am not one to claim I know enough or know it all.
Just so we are on the same page, This test was done in line with some of the structure tests(and we can find all the description on 1 page) that has been shared openly by other teachers and to test how the "angle" can affect the power. Its real in the essense because its simple.
Angle like this, power feels such, angle like that, power feels otherwise. When i say angle, I also mean the angle and alignment of the body. Some call this body structure. I like simple things, sometimes if things are said too vague, it makes it hard to understand, like chicken talking to duck, defeats the purpose of sharing online as well. So this was a simple test of angles, body angles.
It was not designed to test jing or real fighting.
I have witness similar tests by GM TST and my Sifu in internal arts. His dragon form, his elbows are in when he when opening, and elbows out when closing
My parents are hokkien so Eric's clips, excellent stuff. Keep it coming
I agree with Bro Eric. Its the lack of sharing that is creating the problems. And from his clips, he has had alot of masters sharing, hence we are able to reap the rewards from his hard work. And he himself shares with us, so its all good. And I appreciate his open sharing. Carlsberg on me when you come to singapore.
As you mentioned Hendrik, if we search the net we dont see lineage, transmission etc.... that to me, is because of a lack of sharing.
But unto something else instead of silly tests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Qvo_BUmNU
[QUOTE=Shadow_warrior8;752858][QUOTE=Hendrik;752853]
Shadow,
My appology for not using the proper word. "not tune in" is a proper word then "no clue" sorry again for my mistake.
It is ok to disagree with me.
and I am always believe positive thinking and you can do it.
However, there is a matter of direction, there needs a proper direction.
Thus, that is where the lineage or Transmission comes in.
Only with this type of transmission or process of the lineage then the art surface when one train in it.
without that one could not enter the state. without be able to experience the state. One's question or reaction will indicate where one is.
That is why in Chinese TCM, Transmission is very very very important it might even have less to do with who one learns from, for sifu might not transmit the lineage to everyone.
So, I hope to tell you the truth is not about not positive but about there is a directional issue.
and if you dont believe me and you dont have to believe me.
let's examine,
Say , Take, Go ki lat or 5 limp force and Cia te Kin Lat or eating Ground Root force of White Crane and eating crane. what is the different? until one knows it, terminology or our speculation means nothing. for us, we will have no idea, for Eric and Wu Ji and others there are lots of depth to it because of thier transmission and cultivation of Kung Fu. Those are the real things.
Today, we are offen trap in our own mind speculation and not knowing what is reality. and we dont even know that Transmission exist beyond the Set and theory.
Best Regards
Eric Siheng,
Thank you for your advise.
as for your unfortunate experience, I had similar stuffs to. have shared with people who will take the infor and return with trying to step me. hahaha
but as you said, fire cannot cover paper and more important IMHO Kung Fu is not from just know some information but be able to enter into the state as we all know.
As it said, Hang Chai Yee Choo Sou Bein Tze you mei you.
The Yik Kam's 13 spear 6.5 points have a "V" characteristics similar to other of Yik Kam's art which is differentiate from other lineages and style... this much for now so the general uniquness is known.
I have found people is using my information to boostrap themself up but in reality they dont know what they are talking about. As you know, even knowing a set doesnt mean one knows what is it. so I intent to stay out of the type of condition which creating and feeding monster.
Best Regards
Hendrik
Hi Brothers,
This for some odd reason has turned into a typical WCK forum type post. So that defeats the purpose, of me posting here, enjoying myself, talking with others - with open sharing. So i think im going to no longer post in any public forum, and simply focus on my research, and my training. To much negativity. But anyone who wants to keep up discusions please PM or email me. You will always find an open heart, and a smile, when contacting me.
Eric - Thank you so much, for all the hard work you have done. And thanks for sharing some great stuff on White Crane in these posts. You have really helped better my limited understanding, of Fuzhou Crane. I have hopes of formaly learning from Tek Guan, in the near future, and will keep you posted.
And i will always do my best to help preserve WCK traditions. It has added so much to my life, i could never repay the ancestors. But will sure do my best to try!!~
B
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"You guys must be knowing my sifu late Cho Hong-Choy much much much more then me. hahah "
Brother Hendrik - ?!? huh? I dont understand your responce ? !? I never said i knew CHC sifu. Why are you being so negative?? You were the person, who helped me see, that our thoughts, and what we focus on, help create our realities. Im sorry if what i said injured you some how. Since i followed your advice, so many things changed for the better in my life.
I didnt even mention ~CHC~ Branch of Cho Gar. I made a general statement "That name is unique to Cho Gar in my understanding" - "In my understanding" being the Key words. There are many branchs of Cho gar, just as there are many branchs of WCK and White Crane. I like to enjoy all the blossoms on the tree.
I never said i have studied Cho Gar, if thats what people have interpreted, let me make it very very clear. I have not studied Cho Gar WCK. I have studied several branchs of H.K WCK, Pan Nam WCK, and switched to YKS 6 years ago, and of cource i am only a student. I am no sifu. I am extremly low ranked in the branch i study, and normaly have to travel to learn it, and have work out partners. I am not the spokesperson, nor head of any branch of YKS WCK. I am not authorized to teach. I only share my opinions based on what my Sifu and Sisooks share with me. If not for my Sifu, i would still be in ignorance. So i owe it all to him, and several Sisooks, that were kind enough to teach me.
My sifu has taught me from day 1, that YKS WCK is a child of White Crane. This doesnt make it fact of cource. But thats why i carry on with my research - to find the truth, and to than put the truth out there, so others, have more information, to better make up their own minds.
The AWCKRI is working with almost every major and minor branch of WCK, helping preserve all the traditions. When i make a statement, that is based on the research founded by the AWCKRI, i explicitaly state it.
I hope this clears up any confussion.
And i hope the best for you and your family Hendrik Sihing.
B
Its all GOOD!!!!
These forums serve for me not just learning in martial arts... but also makes me use my brain matter, i.e thinking about the points raised by others.
Makes me evaluate my thoughts, attitude to learning too.
Wuji has a great point, concur 100%.
Heard a cd by Anthony Robbins today. The gist, irregardless of the situation being good or bad, what can I learn from this. How can I improve myself??
Ni shui xing zhou, bu jing er tui yeah? Water following a bend either flows forward, or backwards. Lets all flow forward.....