An after you spent ten plus years with a Sifu learning your Art. Why not add to your art by getting free information from others of different lineages!
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An after you spent ten plus years with a Sifu learning your Art. Why not add to your art by getting free information from others of different lineages!
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Are you trolling?
There can be great differences in the details, that you may miss by just watching a video of a different teaching tradition and way..
Perhaps also for somewhat the same reason that someone who may know a one or two or even 5 string instrument can be a rank beginner with a seven string instrument.
PS> I don't know what you have learned and how well you have learned or from whom you learned.No comment on that.
joy chaudhuri
Well excellent response. I am sharing my opinions. If someone already studies lets say Gensi Ryu Karate and they been practing for like 20 years. Would it be wrong for them look at videos on Tae Kwon Do or Shotokan Karate to add new drills or techniques to their fighting demanor. AS you said There can be great difference in details that you miss by watching a video. So why is it that people feel videos need to be so secreative. Why not just share it. Because a video won't give you all of the corrections and golden nuggets to assist with your improvement. How ever if you already have Sifu. An learn from him an also crosstrain by watching videos on Judo for throws, Chin Na for locks, MMA for submission and other WC lineages for difference of applications and energies on different techniques why is that wrong?
IMO cross training doesnt mean watching various youtube videos on how to do a throw. I watch alot of youtube myself but if i see something i like, my sifu is such all i have to do is say hey i saw this good looking throw on youtube can you teach it to me? Most of the time he goes, thats just this and that but you should do it like this because of your body type, height, weight ect... If you want to actually cross train in another MA then do so with an instructor. (by instructor i mean in person not a webstructor)
Yosh ive mastered the art of Web-Fu, i can send you instructions on my famous keyboard lock, mouse bar, Caps-lock guard, space bar right or alt+Ctrl+shift combo
lol
The major problem with your analogy is the instrument(the human body) is the same among all wing chun lineages.Quote:
Perhaps also for somewhat the same reason that someone who may know a one or two or even 5 string instrument can be a rank beginner with a seven string instrument.
Actually...what you got on the net is instructional videos which makes your basic arts better. Mostly I only look at Aikido, Judo and Wing Chun videos since I have experience in that an understand it the most. It really helps my WC. Along with practicing. But as for watching a video. Essentially that is all you do at first. Is watch your Sifu an mimic what he is doing. When he watches you do something wrong then he corrects you!
Then you train and retrain the correction!
Nothing wrong with that IMHO.
Nothing wrong with paragraph breaks either BTW.
Video is just another way to communicate and like all forms of communication there's the opportunity to deceive people. Not all information out there is good and complaining about it doesn't change that.
The major problem with your analogy is the instrument(the human body) is the same among all wing chun lineages.
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You are entitled to your opinion- but IMO, there are vast differences in the meaning of the body and how various parts are used in different versions of wing chun. Stances, structures, motions,
muscle, joints, tendon usage appears to vary widely to a discerning eye.
joy chaudhuri
No, you have it backwards. Tensho was derived from Fukien Siu-Lum/Bak Hok P'ai. From China to Okinawa, to Japan.
"Comes accept, goes return" is contained within the Sup Yee Kiu Sao Faht. Not as shown in Tiet Sien Kuen, but felt through the hand.
One only has to, as I, and others have had the opportunity and privelige to, meet and touch Lam Jo's hand to feel his short bridging skills, short power, speed, sensitivity-and this was when he was 98.
Sure, one can buy videos, dvd's and learn the skin and hair of a set. That is just the outside appearance, not the actual skill.
But to understand any real Gung-Fu, one needs to feel the hand. It can only be taught through direct transmission. Not simply by watching and imitating a video.
People who think they "get it" are only decieving themselves.
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No, you have it backwards. Tensho was derived from Fukien Siu-Lum/Bak Hok P'ai. From China to Okinawa, to Japan.
as I said in the previous post " with your logic."
Now, may be it is the good question to ask which is older Hung Gar or White Crane and Where is the White Crane element of Hung Gar from? is Hung GAr learn from White Crane Or White Crane learn from Hung Gar? when is Hung gar having Crane elements?
We know, WCK is from White Crane.
"Comes accept, goes return" is contained within the Sup Yee Kiu Sao Faht. Not as shown in Tiet Sien Kuen, but felt through the hand.
How do you know "Comes accept, goes return" is contained within the Sup Yee Kiu Sao Faht?
and to be honest, felt through the hand is respected but cant be a reference.
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One only has to, as I, and others have had the opportunity and privelige to, meet and touch Lam Jo's hand to feel his short bridging skills, short power, speed, sensitivity-and this was when he was 98.
I have no doubt Lam Jo has advance Kung fu but is it the same with advance WCK? that is the question.
What is WCK? "Comes accept, goes return" means for you? what is the process of WCK cultivate its Jin compare with Hung Gar which is using Iron Wire? who have you learn from? otherwise, how do you compare?
see, disregard of how we think, the following is the description of Hung gar. and how is this can be WCK? as it said 硬桥硬马,刚劲有力,以气催力,以声...。 Hard bridge and hard horse, Kong Jin fill with li, Using breathing to push power, using voice to support ....
洪拳是以龙、虎、狮、豹、蛇、鹤、象、马、猴、虎的象形与特性结合武术技法创编而成。有单形 拳术,如龙 拳、虎拳等;亦有混合形拳术,如虎鹤双形拳、五形拳、十形拳等。其风格特点是:手法丰富,腿法 较少,步稳势 烈,硬桥硬马,刚劲有力,以气催力,以声助威。
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What is WCK? "Comes accept, goes return" means for you? what is the process of WCK cultivate its Jin compare with Hung Gar which is using Iron Wire? who have you learn from? otherwise, how do you compare?"
Ging is cultivated in many other ways-Tiet Sien Kuen is only one method, and the method shown is but one method. Within TSK, there are many breakdowns, each being different. That is like saying SNT is the ONLY method WCK cultivates ging. We all know this not to be true. There are many Lien Gung methods within both systems.
I am still in the process of learning. I have met with and continue to regularly meet with Sifus of several lines of Hung-Ga-(Ho Lap Tien, Jow Wing Duk, Yuen Ling,Chan Tai-Hing, Lao Ke Tong-all Tang Fong line, as well as Sifus from Lam Sai-Wing line, as well as other lines from outside of Hong Kong) We exchange, share, discuss, and play in order to enrich our knowledge and continue to evolve our Gung-Fu.
see, disregard of how we think, the following is the description of Hung gar. and how is this can be WCK? as it said 硬桥硬马,刚劲有力,以气催力,以声...。 Hard bridge and hard horse, Kong Jin fill with li, Using breathing to push power, using voice to support ....
Whose description? Gwok Si, Gwok Faht-each Sifu has his own method, his own experience, his own understanding and refinements and evolution. To wit,Hung-Ga may posess the hard bridge, hard horse, and it is used often, but it is only a small part of how the hand is played. Using breath to push power is understood differently by different people. Hei is not simply breath, yi leads hei, and walks hand in hand with ging and lik. Voice supports but at other levels, the voice is not audible. The breath can be like a baby's.
also-Tiet Sien Kuen is not all about tension. It is very much concerned with release.
You, being a WCK pratitioner, and not a Hung-Ga practitioner, may not be fully aware of many of the actual teachings and methods contained within this vast system, just as my small experience in WCK, prevents me from having the full understanding of this art. But it also is that which prevents me from making false a$$umptions.