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In the end, every MAist makes the ultimate choice on what constitutes their own practice.
I would point out that, regarding random forms lifted from various legitimate systems, even seeking out an actual qualified teacher of a style to learn the form is meaningless without a good working knowledge of the system itself. A form taken from a system is not the style/system; it's only a piece, a small piece. For instance, lifting a Tanglang form and, say, a CLF or other form is not practicing Tanglang or CLF, but merely an attempt (very poor attempts) at mimicking some movements from said forms.
One mans gold is another mans shizen. If you learn a "Real" Kung fu but cant use it then it is Shizen even if its so called real, But if you learn some SD and can use it then it is gold. It is what you make it not how you define it, as far as losing the Dream real MA is just a dream any way.
MA's arguing is like hearing Mormons trying to convert Catholics.
the controversy is about now whether you are any good because out of all the SD video's of sparing......it's sub parQuote:
I can't really disagree with you either. I was never a big form collector anyway. I just know that I've faired well against other stylists incorporating what I've learned in SD. I don't really see how that is too controversial.
anyway you paint it, you guys are frauds. frauds stemming from frauds only to make more frauds.......for shame.Quote:
One mans gold is another mans shizen. If you learn a "Real" Kung fu but cant use it then it is Shizen even if its so called real, But if you learn some SD and can use it then it is gold. It is what you make it not how you define it, as far as losing the Dream real MA is just a dream any way.
and I assume you have never lied or misrepresented yourself EVER?
Sniper is more like it. and NO....lies get discovered. like the lies spread via Shaolin Do......Quote:
and I assume you have never lied or misrepresented yourself EVER?
That isn't true at all. I left right before the whole EM Soards issue, and before the school split off stuff, and way before Sin The admitting he made stuff up. I did it because I wasn't getting what I thought I was. It wasn't because my teacher was bad, because he wasn't. I wasn't because I didn't like the people. I still do, they are my martial arts family. It just wasn't what I was looking for.
I'm glad I did because I am way more comfortable with my current material. Please don't lump all SDers (former or current) together Bawang.
Do I regret training in that style? Not really, sometimes I wonder if I had done better research where I would have ended up. But it's a moot point now.
As an aside, I think that people who do have the material from the outside sources should probably get them revised by someone from that style if they can. For example, I learned Dragon Pa Kua at an EM seminar. Now that I am training with a Fu style teacher when I get to that point I will ask as many questions and get as many corrections as possible.
Stolen or not Made up or not , the question still remains, and we can all speculate, but where did the Original Material and Forms come from ? The ones that were taught from the beginning. We all have opinions but we know what they are like@. Everyone has one. Proof is in the puddin they say. There is Long fist, Hua's, The Tai chi, the Pakua , etc that all has roots in Traditional Ma from China ?
Please shed more tears. Seriously, though, not everyone has an opportunity to train because of the areas they live. Personally I'd love to find a teacher in my area that focused on xingyi. Your opportunities are often limited to where you live. Not everyone can move for the sole purpose of training.
I disagree. Assuming that fake shaolin can be effective in self-defense (and SD is as many have said and those who have met me outside of the forum will concede) then I'd rather be able to protect myself then do the real stuff poorly and get hurt in a fight.
It's like comparing spam to a diseased cow. I'd rather eat good spam if those were my only two choices.
Hey JP every year in Austin Tx there is the Spamorama. U can guess what that is . I have heard it is good? Not for me though. Spam soup, fried spam etc. Thats like Shaolinorama, there is so many different aspects of just one form or system like Hsing Ie who knows what is right anymore?