Single-headed pole fighting starts at 2:17 into the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdhU3-6SNfs
The pole is the pole. You notice the pole isn't used like a blunted spear.
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Single-headed pole fighting starts at 2:17 into the clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdhU3-6SNfs
The pole is the pole. You notice the pole isn't used like a blunted spear.
Looks like Tapado:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd_A6tDBIzg
And you're equating that to the Gwan?
Do you think you could wield the Gwan like they do the "sticks" in the video?
Puleeeese..get real.
Yup. The pole is the pole. When people REALLLY fight with the pole, they figure out pretty quickly what works, what doesn't work, etc. and that is the same for everyone, across cultures, etc. In other words, to make the pole work we all must do the same fundamental things. It's only when theoreticians and nonfghters get into the act that things go awry and nonsense creeps in, then the nonsense gets ritualized, then become dogma, and so on.
Let's see you go FIGHT, really FIGHT -- like at a Dog Brothers gathering --with the pole like you BELIEVE you can.
This is the root of the problem: people who aren't DOING it (successfully fighting with the pole), believing they know how to because they believe they "understand" the concepts, and they teach others their non-fighting with the pole, using unrealistic training which only reinforces their beliefs. The blind leading the blind.
Then when the see people really fight with the pole, and it doesn't "look" like their CONCEPTION (their imaginary polefighting), they say things like "get real".
Ironic, isn't it? People who never fight with the pole telling others to "get real".
So, you think that if there aren't organized "championships" that you can't do pole fighting?
And, I guess you think that you can learn how to really use (fight with) the pole by not fighting with the pole.
Or, that people with absolutley no experience fighting with the pole really "understand" it?
Gotcha.
Just interested in what you think these fundamental things are, because it sounds similar to the "technique vs. concept" argument.
Superficially it looks very different to WCK pole work because the weapon is a different weight and length. But (in the Tapado vid) there is an obvious "fencing" element to it which looked similar to what Philipp Bayer does in one of his pole drill videos - displacing the opponents weapon and fightling for the line.
OK, an armchair theorist's arguments:
The longer and heavier counters the nimble and deadly (because of the metal point) spear with range and momentum. The lighter spear is more easily displaced by the heavier pole.
Blunt force trauma is still trauma.Quote:
In my view, the major offensive actions with the pole don't involve thrusting the pole to strike with the "point" -- which is easily countered and not very effective.
yes there are not exacty venues for pole fighting (im sure this comes as quite a shock to you) and post people have never had to defend themselves with a staff either so your point is pretty much rediculous
but keep going your arm chair warrior diatribes are amusing to say the least:D
I could be all wrong but the WC pole methods in the form look to me like the way you would use a pike or a long heavy spear. The thrusting methods, the foot work and the 45 degree pivioting look like they were designed to be used in a formation by mutliple people trained to thrust pivot and step on command.
A good comparison would be to look at the baton and shield training of riot police who are trained to move in unison to back up and control crowds.
Just my 2 cents.