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Are there any attributes you can develop that will make you worse at other things?
For example, BL would say "you can get big and strong, but that will make you slow."
Are there any attributes you can develop that would actually have some REAL negative effect, tho?
The only thing I can think of would be someone who doesn't do any cardio for the sake of putting on size. Then they'd be getting bigger and stronger, which is helpful, but their endurance would suffer.
rtb, don't say it :D
not really Iron, because as far as little chicks go, i'm a lil " big and strong " myself ;)
what I'm saying though is A. the more "overly" muscled you are the less range of movement and speed you'll have ( scientifically trading that off for the strength in strike you may or may not get away pending opponents skill) and is of no use to the smaller , faster more accurate and focussed player.
and B. to close the fight before it's begun , just because you are smaller is against EVERY combat philosophy I've ever known!! I've gotta believe I can strategise my way to survival, no matter the circumstance, or why the hell do we practice the arts we do???!!!!
I'll NEVER be a "big gal", but I can guarantee you , I've worked twice as hard, sweated twice as many joules and listened at MIN, twice as hard as fat boy!!!!!!
I'm walking away babes.....
( running for help min )
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blooming lotus,
That's correct what you saif about people who are muscle bound. They can hardly move at all. Worse still, they have disproportionate strength - such as body builders, all show no go.
Completely wrong. For muscle mass to impair range of motion, it has to be massive, coupled with a complete lack of stretching. People that massive that do not stretch are an exception, not the rule.Quote:
Originally posted by blooming lotus
what I'm saying though is A. the more "overly" muscled you are the less range of movement and speed you'll have ( scientifically trading that off for the strength in strike you may or may not get away pending opponents skill) and is of no use to the smaller , faster more accurate and focussed player.
Of course. Strategy, training, skills, luck - all these things will help you have a chance. But if someone is a lot bigger and stronger then you'd better hope that your skills are far superior.Quote:
and B. to close the fight before it's begun , just because you are smaller is against EVERY combat philosophy I've ever known!! I've gotta believe I can strategise my way to survival, no matter the circumstance, or why the hell do we practice the arts we do???!!!!
Maybe, maybe not. Don't underestimate anyone. And never over-estimate yourself. You may have some trouble with that, bl.Quote:
I'll NEVER be a "big gal", but I can guarantee you , I've worked twice as hard, sweated twice as many joules and listened at MIN, twice as hard as fat boy!!!!!!
I'm walking away babes.....
( running for help min )
B
No Serps,
we have had debates here on other threads before that you were a part of yourself, where muscle bound guy claims stretching comprimises his strength!! ( and wtf on that score ?? :confused: )
no matter what I say nor when I call black, some smart guy is saying white and has links to support him.......
one can but try ........
Ps: still not ever submitting and confident I'm walking away ;) :P :)
Ps: not really relevant on this thread, but how old did you say were anyway???
Another example of your comprehension skills :rolleyes:. It was someone like Father Dog saying that stretching pre-workout compromises strength. Stretching post-workout OTOH was recommended. And (no offence FD if you're reading), Father Dog isn't exactly what I'd call muscle bound - not in the 7* sense. The argument was backed up with references.Quote:
Originally posted by blooming lotus
we have had debates here on other threads before that you were a part of yourself, where muscle bound guy claims stretching comprimises his strength!! ( and wtf on that score ?? :confused: )
Off-topic - that thread was also the "ex-olympiad" thread IIRC ;).
FOR FARKS SAKE!!
WHERE, HOW IS EVERYONE QUALIFYING THEIR "BIGGER ALWAYS BETTER" ANSWERS???
Serpant,
"Completely wrong. For muscle mass to impair range of motion, it has to be massive, coupled with a complete lack of stretching. People that massive that do not stretch are an exception, not the rule."
How can you say that BL is completely wrong when within your own understanding, there are examples that agree with her?
In any case you must consider functional strength. For example if a person were to train up using their muscles on one plane - common to exercise machines, they may not have to co-ordination to cover a wide range of movement in say a fight.
There are other aspects, such as the muscles for balance in the lower back etc, that a so called strong person may not have developed.
Of course someone with good functional strength in a relative and absolute sense would also be very atheletic.
I think this is the point that BL is trying to bring across, which I hope I'm doing justice in paraphraising what she says. Again what BL is saying is right.
To quote Toby: You're a crappy troll, Kelvin.
Here at KFO, we take pride in little relevance, seeing as how everything is reletive.
FOR FARKS SAKE!!Quote:
Originally posted by TAO YIN
FOR FARKS SAKE!!
WHERE, HOW IS EVERYONE QUALIFYING THEIR "BIGGER ALWAYS BETTER" ANSWERS???
ARE YOU COMPETING WITH BL FOR THE READING INCOMPREHENSION PRIZE?! NOBODY ****ING SAID "BIGGER ALWAYS BETTER".
We said usually it's an advantage, but only one thing out of many factors. If you can find anywhere withing the context of previous posts where somebody HAS claimed "BIGGER ALWAYS BETTER" THEN come back and SHOUT. Until then, stop sucking BL's nuts.
Mat,
Just by way of a friendly advice, girls don't have nuts.
LOL at YOU Mat.
I wasn't shouting; I was typing with the caps lock on. Got your attention huh? You like that? Reading incomprehension prize? What do I get? It sucks when someone points out obvious implications doesn't it? Okay, so "bigger always better" is a bad label that I put on most arguments here. I apologize, I meant to say "bigger almost always better." I wasn't sucking BL's nuts or pinkies either. I liked what she typed, thats it. She's small she says...wtf is she supposed to believe? It's funny how much shiot she gets here. Sure, sometimes she deserves it, but I just think it's funny. So many bullies, but no bullies bully. I guess in this world everyone with a kcid- is still a hard tnuc-.
Anyways, I apologize for typing. I forgot how many chiefs reside here. Anyways, again I apologize for wasting my breath, excuse me, my typing time, on you.
Correct. Specifically, stretching pre-workout (speaking, specifically, of a weight workout designed to increase strength) will lessen your gains from that workout. Stretching afterwards is definitely recommended.Quote:
Originally posted by Toby
Another example of your comprehension skills :rolleyes:. It was someone like Father Dog saying that stretching pre-workout compromises strength. Stretching post-workout OTOH was recommended.
blooming lotus recommends stretching before, during, and after a workout, but just about anything bl says about strength and fitness is usually the polar opposite of correct.
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And (no offence FD if you're reading), Father Dog isn't exactly what I'd call muscle bound - not in the 7* sense. The argument was backed up with references.
No offense taken - I'm 6'4" and compete at 189. 7's pecs are bigger than me. :D
Oh yeah, just to recap for those who don't read the training forum -Quote:
Off-topic - that thread was also the "ex-olympiad" thread IIRC ;).
so far, blooming lotus has claimed that
she could easily qualify for the Olympics, but "doesn't do the competition thing"
she could easily beat Mike Tyson
she was asked to be the lead singer for Savage Garden
she's a certified genius
she's a former supermodel, being offered $10K a week modelling jobs
she's an expert in dim mak
dim mak is the same thing as chin na
That's just what I can recall off the top of my head; I'm sure I'm missing some.
Please keep this firmly in mind when evaluating any advice she gives, and take it with a mountain of salt.
people tend to confuse bodybuilding with strength training...Quote:
Originally posted by Ego_Extrodinaire
Serpant,
How can you say that BL is completely wrong when within your own understanding, there are examples that agree with her?
because BL's generalization is applying to all big guys. That is wrong.
In any case you must consider functional strength. For example if a person were to train up using their muscles on one plane - common to exercise machines, they may not have to co-ordination to cover a wide range of movement in say a fight.
There are other aspects, such as the muscles for balance in the lower back etc, that a so called strong person may not have developed.
Of course someone with good functional strength in a relative and absolute sense would also be very atheletic.
I think this is the point that BL is trying to bring across, which I hope I'm doing justice in paraphraising what she says. Again what BL is saying is right.