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10-21-2010, 09:25 PM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by theo

i have heard similar accounts. a friend of a friend got into a fight in a movie theater parking lot and won. the guy who got beat up came back with 40 other people looking for him. fighting is about life and death.

sparring and training application is necessary to be able to apply it. can't get any more simple than that. BUT one also needs to remember that they are not in a "realistic" fighting experience. nothing can simulate a real life and death situation unless you're in it. so let's call it what it is, when we train application, we are training application, we are not fighting.

I give up Martial art and Convert to Praying practice for almost a decade now. The only realistic thing I can help others is to pray for him or her.
10-21-2010, 10:29 PM
omarthefish

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Originally Posted by Vajramusti

In Liu sifu's bio it is mentioned that he met and "exchanged" knowledge with Chen Fake.
Did you come across any info on what the nature of that "exchange" was?

Joy Chaudhuri

Just forms demos and chatting. The upshot was that after meeting Chen Fake he supposedly said that he thought the power and mechanics of Chen Taiji and Baji were pretty much the same.

My own teacher says much the same. We do Yang Taij and Baji and he says that Baji is like our "er lu".
10-21-2010, 11:26 PM
k gledhill

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

I give up Martial art and Convert to Praying practice for almost a decade now. The only realistic thing I can help others is to pray for him or her.

a solid punch to a 'jaw'. reality... praying ? bs hiding ...get out to a bar or nightclub hendrik....Kareoke even...;) stay alive.

pray for yourself LOSER...: )
10-22-2010, 01:55 AM
theo

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

pray for yourself LOSER...: )

not sure if u meant that as a joke, but that's not cool :confused:
10-22-2010, 05:47 AM
t_niehoff

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

I dont think.

To be more precise, you don't think critically.

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Liu's capability speak for himself. his students' ability also speak for themself. Baji also speak for itself.

How can we know what his or his students' "capacity" is? How does it speak for itself? You make a wild claim as to his capacity, and then when asked for evidence of his skill, retort with "it speaks for itself". No it doesn't.

Your reasoning goes like this: X is a dangerous TCMA, so-and-so is a well-known and recognized master of X, therefore so-and-so is very good. Yet, you have good basis in terms of evidence (only theory) for saying X, whether Baji or whatever, is a "dangerous" TCMA, and no good basis or evidence for saying so-and-so is any good.

When you talk curriculum, history, etc. I think you've some good, solid points to make. But when you talk about application or about skill, you often enter into the realm of fantasy/imagination.
10-22-2010, 06:00 AM
Xiao3 Meng4

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

a solid punch to a 'jaw'. reality... praying ? bs hiding ...get out to a bar or nightclub hendrik....Kareoke even...;) stay alive.

pray for yourself LOSER...: )

Do you think this post makes you a winner? :rolleyes:
10-22-2010, 08:11 AM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by k gledhill

a solid punch to a 'jaw'. reality... praying ? bs hiding ...get out to a bar or nightclub hendrik....Kareoke even...;) stay alive.

pray for yourself LOSER...: )

For me, warrior is about courage facing absolute vulnerable and not to be in vulnerable. The worst enermy which give me fear is my own self. and so does I saw lots of people suffer similar to myself.

At one point I thought by having lots of power generation capability will makes me in vulnerable, but than, I found out only if I have courage at my absolute vulnerable state that can set me free. and when I dont have the courage, I need the prayer to give me the courage.

I then make my daily practice to pray for others because human are fragile like me and we often dont have the courage to face the absolute vulnerable to set ourself free.

Winner and Loser doesnt matter when one face the absolute vulnerable of oneself because it is about set oneself free and not about victory over others.

you can punch me in my jaw but prayer still set you free.
10-22-2010, 08:18 AM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by t_niehoff

To be more precise, you don't think critically.

.

I dont have to think. Just check the facts and track records.
10-22-2010, 11:24 AM
theo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hendrik

For me, warrior is about courage facing absolute vulnerable and not to be in vulnerable. The worst enermy which give me fear is my own self. and so does I saw lots of people suffer similar to myself.

At one point I thought by having lots of power generation capability will makes me in vulnerable, but than, I found out only if I have courage at my absolute vulnerable state that can set me free. and when I dont have the courage, I need the prayer to give me the courage.

I then make my daily practice to pray for others because human are fragile like me and we often dont have the courage to face the absolute vulnerable to set ourself free.

Winner and Loser doesnt matter when one face the absolute vulnerable of oneself because it is about set oneself free and not about victory over others.

you can punch me in my jaw but prayer still set you free.

nice post. i saw glimpses of the same realization on and off but gradually its become more natural. this didn't happen overnight nor suddenly but slowly over time. it's an internal journey and i think it comes eventually if we allow ourselves to enter silence and go with Nature. easier said than done, but you can't force it.
10-22-2010, 12:11 PM
Vajramusti

Thank you Omar the fish.

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Originally Posted by omarthefish

Just forms demos and chatting. The upshot was that after meeting Chen Fake he supposedly said that he thought the power and mechanics of Chen Taiji and Baji were pretty much the same.

My own teacher says much the same. We do Yang Taij and Baji and he says that Baji is like our "er lu".

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Appreciate the info on that meeting... between Chen Fake and the Baji master. I don't know enough about Baji to have a settled opinion on comparing the power and mechanics of Chen style and Baji. My tentative judgment is that top flight Chen style is a more complete art though Baji also looks powerful.
I enjoy doing some Chen style supplementsl drills-for which I have had some first rate instruction..
on Baji I have seen some video of Adam Hsu and the posted videos of Liu sifu.
My main art remains wing chun... for which I have received top flight instruction. But my curiosity is extensive.Thanks again for your response to my query.

joy chaudhuri
10-29-2010, 08:11 AM
Hendrik

Sergio did an excellent job on this one!

http://www.youtube.com/sifusergiocha.../0/cm7vjAqAvjg

Notice:

1, it is about Chi Sau not Kiu Sau,
2, let the other hand passed and seal off and close body....

all those snake slide and Emei signature as what we discuss in the previous post.

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/show...3&postcount=38

So, one can see across from sifu Gary Lam of LA to 90 yearold senior Fung of Koo Lo, the snake signature is there.

Well, some will say WCK is created by Ng mui, Chi Sim, Yat Chan, Secret society....etc. I honestly careless about all the label. My bottom line is simply what is it the key elements? where it is from and how can I use it to activate WCK. Romance and history is great however the bottom of the line one still need to get benifit out of the set. IMHO
10-29-2010, 02:21 PM
chusauli

Fung Chun Sifu certainly shows the signature of classic WCK. He sticks to the bridge and and passes the elbow, allowing him to control and strike.

He is great! That is Gu Lao WCK proper.

That is the signature of WCK.
10-29-2010, 06:52 PM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by chusauli

Fung Chun Sifu certainly shows the signature of classic WCK. He sticks to the bridge and and passes the elbow, allowing him to control and strike.

He is great! That is Gu Lao WCK proper.

That is the signature of WCK.

RC,

Agree. Fung is very respectable.

Also, he did mention the 3 sets (SLT, CK, BJ) of Futsan WCK or the 108 points.

Well, the Yik Kam 4 section's old name is the 108 points SLT. So, 1 set or 3 sets what matter is the basic is covered as in Gu Lao no set.

These are precious information Fung left us. Kudos for Sergio.
10-29-2010, 10:40 PM
jesper

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Originally Posted by Knifefighter

How did I miss that part?

Yeah, maybe if they are shooting or sneaking up behind people and stabbing them.

If its one of my men shooting and he needs three shot im going to beat him up :D
10-29-2010, 11:20 PM
Wayfaring

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Originally Posted by Hendrik

Sergio did an excellent job on this one!

http://www.youtube.com/sifusergiocha.../0/cm7vjAqAvjg

Notice:

1, it is about Chi Sau not Kiu Sau,
2, let the other hand passed and seal off and close body....

all those snake slide and Emei signature as what we discuss in the previous post.

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/show...3&postcount=38

So, one can see across from sifu Gary Lam of LA to 90 yearold senior Fung of Koo Lo, the snake signature is there.

Well, some will say WCK is created by Ng mui, Chi Sim, Yat Chan, Secret society....etc. I honestly careless about all the label. My bottom line is simply what is it the key elements? where it is from and how can I use it to activate WCK. Romance and history is great however the bottom of the line one still need to get benifit out of the set. IMHO

Here we go again with the fantasy associations.

Yes, Sergio is very prevalent on traveling, visiting and "researching". He's currently found the Black Flag stuff with Benny Meng.

Notice:

1. It's about Chi Sau, it's not about Kiu Sau

You completely miss the whole fundamental reason and story for Kiu Sau. It is trained along with the SLT set to help teach structure. There are countless videos of WCK people doing "chi sau" on the net where one or both have absolutely zero structure - arms and elbows folded in on themselves, collapsed wu, back weighted and stance problems, no forward intent, etc.

Kiu Sau is SLT level to train structure - then once it's there you have something to base chi sau upon as opposed to fantasy and distortion.

2, Let other hand pass (the elbow) and seal off the body

This is no more proof of some random snake / Emei connection than doing this with snakeskin boots on is. It is simply part of core WCK fundamentals, and is broader.

So one can see, that Hendrik can name drop of people he associates his theory with from Gary Lam to Fung Chun sifu, even though both of those people if you mentioned the name Hendrik wouldn't even know who you are talking about, and certainly wouldn't pick him to represent their arts to the world.

The only "signature" involved anywhere around here is dumbness.

But I did enjoy the video of Fung Chun sifu explaining to Sergio - that was worth watching.

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