That's the key.
- The eagle claw system grabs with the thumb, first and second finger.
- The Mantis system grabs with the thumb and the last three fingers.
- The SC system grabs with all 5 fingers.
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heres a list for you, youknowwho this is from 8 step mantis and my notebook.
1. GO
2. SWAI
3. KO
4. BOW
5. CHING
6. SHAW
7. SWA
8 CHEIDA
9. LABIE
10. BUNG TIAO
11. DING KUAI
12. DIAO LOU
13. AN CHI
14. TWAI DUNG
15. YA TIAO
16. TAN HING
17. JIAN TUI
18. DA HUH
19. CHAN TUI
20. LIKANG
21. CHUAN DANG
22. SO BEI
23. SO HUH
24. SAN BA BIE
25. ZA BA BIE
26. JIA LIANG TI
27. CHEN DI TI
29. XIA BA DENG
28 SAN BA DENG
30. FEN SOU KANG
31. LUO SOU BIE
32. ZUA WAI CHUAI
33. HUN TUI KANG
34. TUAN DANG KOW
35. MA BOU TI
36. KAU TUI DI
37. XUEN BU TI
38. QUI TUI DA HUH
39. LOW
40. FAN TI
Let me try to translate this list (some I just can't find the right Chinese character for it):
1. GO - upward hook
2. SWAI - ?
3. KO - knee seize
4. BOW - embrace
5. CHING - downward pulling
6. SHAW - sharpen
7. SWA - ?
8 CHEIDA - front cut strike
9. LABIE - pulling block
10. BUNG TIAO - leg lift
11. DING KUAI - knee lift
12. DIAO LOU - diagonal pulling
13. AN CHI - knee press
14. TWAI DUNG - ?
15. YA TIAO - leg lift
16. TAN HING - spring
17. JIAN TUI - leg seize
18. DA HUH - inner hook
19. CHAN TUI - leg twist
20. LIKANG - ?
21. CHUAN DANG - fireman's carry I
22. SO BEI - hand block
23. SO HUH - hand harmony
24. SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
25. ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block
26. JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
27. CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick
29. XIA BA DENG - lower body control ?
28 SAN BA DENG - upper body control ?
30. FEN SOU KANG - shoulder carry
31. LUO SOU BIE - arm pulling leg block
32. ZUA WAI CHUAI - outer bowing
33. HUN TUI KANG - shoulder carry
34. TUAN DANG KOW - fireman's carry II
35. MA BOU TI - neck mopping kick
36. KAU TUI DI - ?
37. XUEN BU TI - kick?
38. QUI TUI DA HUH - knee down inner hook
39. LOW - outer hook
40. FAN TI - foot sweep against foot sweep
thats awesome, I know these throws like the back of my hand but in application.. LOL not in translation, my chinese sounds OK verbally but i still cant read or write it.
That's a lot of throws there. I don't believe they all came from 8 step Mantis system. Some throws must come from "cross training".
actually they are all in 8 step from master Feng Hua Yi, he was a shuai Jaio and eagle claw master and took 40 of the throws from Shuai Jiao and added them to his shifu's (Chiang Hui Long) newly designed plumb flower hybrid system ba bu
That explain it. It's very difficult to find any CMA style to have that many throws.
yes we are quite lucky, though some dont work on certain opponets, size, height, weight, flexibility etc etc so you pick and choose.
8 step is a hybrid of 14 other styles so we kinda got the best of alot of worlds all put into 1 system, this is why i love it so much. I dont have to look to fill any voids like i did with karate or hung gar
Someone, quick, write down all the Chinese names - it is almost impossible to get these lists anymore
Choy Lee Fut is a southern system with some northern roots. It has a lot of kam na/ chin na grappling but doesn't emphasize pure throwing skills. It features a lot of attacking the horse, unbalancing, takedown or knockdown skills but operates mainly as a boxing system.
The so-called "Tibetan" schools of Lama, White Crane and Hop Ga were developed in Gwangdong but retained most of their northern heritage. They include a lot of throws which my teacher referred to as Mongolian wrestling.
I've trained in Mongolian wrestling and don't see many similarities. Besides the grips and the forward-leaning clinch the main difference is in the footwork. Mongolian wrestling does not allow the heels to touch the ground (because of the structure of the boots worn in competition). Some have suggested that there is or was a "combat" style of Tibetan and Mongolian wrestling that was the basis for our system but I have seen no evidence of it.
I see a closer affinity to northern shuai jiao with its propensity for debilitating throws and possible combat applications. Could be that Tibetan, Mongolian, Manchurian and otherwise northern wrestling styles have always been intertwined. Those folks really got around. Know how the first Dalai Lama got his title? Mongolian politics.
This is the names of the throws 8 step uses from shuai jiao
Both the Ti and Bie principles all contain more than 30 different throws. That's how complicate the Chinese throwing art is. Chinese old saying said, "The major Chinese throw contain 360 throws. The number of the minor Chinese throws can be as many as the number of hair on a cow's body."
26. 架樑踢JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
27. 前进踢CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick
24. 上把别SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
25. 下把别ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block
Some of the throws I use in MMA I learned in mantis. Most people think they came from Judo, prob cuz they are exactly like some of the ones in Judo. The Hung Ga school I was in did some throws and they supplemented with SC every couple weeks. But my Hung Gar sifu put more emphasis on just blasting through and going hulk smash. He was also very big so.....