Ok, come on. REELY?
Has this ever been proven to work? EVER?
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all well and good, but it does bring up the old argument;
If you've never actually done it, or seen someone do it, then how do you know it works?
(meaning, breaking a person's neck and paralysing or killing them)
So, what we are left with is going on blind faith.
That being said, I teach these as well, and they work great for takedowns, but I tell my students that as far as the deadly neck snap-well, let me know how you do.
Ok, didn't mean to derail. Let's not go off on several pages about this, and save it for its own thread if need be.
dang, I'm slow. Drake beat me to it.
As TT stated, I have never snapped anyone's neck so we have to go on faith. However, take a partner and sit them down, turn their neck sideways and start to apply pressure (Slowly). See how fast they tap and ask them how much severe pain they were in and how it felt like their neck was going to snap... Then Imagine adding an explosive snap downward on the neck.
Again.... I never actually killed anyone so I am going on what my Sifu has told me.
ginosifu
You can wrench someone's neck, and it is terribly painful. It won't end a fight, though, and could possibly make the situation worse.
People tap out of pain all the time. They aren't injured, but it hurts badly and they quit. My trainer at one of my military schools broke me of that habit by putting me in terribly painful situations, but not letting me tap out. He taught me just to bear through it.
Best thing to do is cut off blood flow to the brain on both sides of the neck. It's indefensible, because you involuntarily pass out. Cutting off oxygen takes too long, and it is extremely unlikely you'll be able to break the neck, and wind up just causing a lot of pain, which, on its own, won't win a fight.
There are many requires that you have to meet in order to have a successful stand up head lock.
I still don't see the practicality of causing pain. Is it a "who can **** off the other the most?" fight?
I don't know about the rest of you, but if you are just causing me "owies", you are really just making me angrier...
I agree that pain compliance is not necessarily the best route to go down if you are talking about a real confrontation.
As far as breaking a neck, you have the best chance you would ever have at doing it if you blood choke them out first and they fall unconscious. If you want to know about how much force it takes, just go ask a Chiropractor or any Osteopath.
I think it's wise to go easy when sparring - though you should still train the skill.
However, when you really need to I say "crush the windpipe". I mean if you're involved in a situation where it has come to physical violence, then I feel like it is safe to assume you're in a pretty dangerous situation. Which means you shouldn't be messing around worrying if you're gonna hurt the guy too much.
If you're worried about hurting the guy too much either your fighting for the wrong reasons or you need to get your priorities straight.
Train Hard,
Josh Skinner
ive had my windpipe 'closed off' in a home invasion attack, and i fought out of it. i woke up to being choked with a front grip, had the guy cut off my blood, i would have likely gone out. i was lying down so he was on top of me holding my windpipe between his grip and using his other arm to try and control me, had he put his knees on my shoulders and double gripped my neck cutting off my blood id probably be dead right now.