so is anywon down to get into the finelines of lions roar
won thing thats kind of anoying me, is alot of kung fu practitioners still have this air of secrecy?????.
if you look at the wing chun guys just on there forum alone has details into the finepoints of thier system;just on that forum alone im willing to bet good money theres more info then in the whole published freakin ghettoe of the LR method
compared to the wing chun world of writing
regardless im about to use this kfof for quintessential knowledge on kf, i have some ideas for headers to create discussions on kf in general, like the relationship between hop/hung/clf's long fists and how are they similar.
but the only forsure i have is in hopgar, so it would be nice if people had some knowledge that may spark continuos progressive discussions;hek ego mite even have some juicy tidbits
AND THATS WHAT IM SAYN ;SERIOUS DISCOURSE
i start my new job in two hours so i'l get into this tommorrow.
That hop/mantis book,were is the cheapest place i should order and do you know how much it'l be in canadian, i get paid in 2-3 weeks so asap is now...til tommorow.
IT----it says in your bio you have a knowledge on southern kung fu....do you know if the hung master wong-fei-hung and the hop master wong-yan-lam were peers??
i like that last line thier E
Hi Friday, Quick Question???
IS the Pai that you first mention from Bak Hok Pai have any relation to GrandMaster Daniel K. Pai from Gong Yuen Chuan Fa family and PAI LUM TAO????
Genes and Darwin's Mantis's
Hi there Ego,
I'll try get my Si-Fu to post here. his Hop-Mantis book contains a lot on what he calls 'information theory' and the 'cultural genetics of martial arts forms'. He also published two scientific papers on martial arts:
'Hyperventilation, trance sattes and suggestion in the martial arts'
'From post modernism to dialectical syncretism, understanding the anthropology and cultural evolution of martial arts systems'.
They were at a conference at a UK university in 1998, July I think, it was Manchester Metropolitan University, Sports and Exercise Science Faculty. The conference was run by a group called the Society of Martial Arts.
My Si-Fu caused a big stir with those papers and his book. He was threatened with Sun-Dar by a UK Mantis practitioner who's also running a Tibetan style religious cult. He wouldn't face my Si-Fu though - just got his students to 'trash him' on internet forums.
The Hop-Mantis book is not traditional, that was the 'problem' he also showed how a lotta western guys get hooked into crap through cult beliefs.
He also introduced a western way of thinking about the martial arts - for western guys, based on classical Greek philosophy - too daring man!!!
My Si-Fu has got first class traditional Chinese martial arts credentials that p***** off some guys cos he can cut it either east or west.
Yep, I'm proud of my Lion's Roar inherritance, and my Mantis is southern Jook-Lum from Lee-Yin-Sing lineage.
nice,given me some thought to ponder till tommorrow must eat....
ya im not much traditional in respects to my study.
Im all technique combination theoretical drills"have about 120 of them"
i have the warmup wich gives you the main frame.
then theres 1opunch/10kick combos....really just for flow and it has the essence of bridging the gap!.then theres 13 sets i have for sure 4 of them but i learnt advanced application before i learnt the groundwork sets for good frame in one's study of progressive application........
so i can see the gist off the system by seeing applications in the differant sections..gotta go
Scientific aspects of kung fu
Barefootmantis,
Would it be possible for your instructor to email me a soft copy of his research paper? My experience in martial arts indicates that those eastern mystical beliefs can be excluded without compromising the combat ability of the style.
Did your instructor have a sceintific or maths background? I view forms as a meqns of setting up the parameters of the system. Through experience you explore the solution space defined by the parameters. Not many people train like that and as a result after 20+ years of training the arte still crap fighters.
Unfortunately many southern styles trained this way. Northern styles - many of them suffer the same fate. Perhaps it's because instructors tend be become more insterested in following the cultural heritage rather than looking at the problem from a logical angle.
I agree that the Japanese culture is prone to following rules. Maybe it's the samye way in communist China when the population is persuaded not to think so much!
Maximus Maximize!
ego_maximus@hotmail.com
hi,what does that mean IN/OUT????.
Re: In/Out step (Chert Yup Bo)
Hi everyone,
ok first of all, the Pak Hok Pai In/Out Step includes a variety of techniques. It contains all the basic punches (Luk Lik or six strengths), some grappling moves, blocks, takedowns, a few techniques with an internal aspect to it. It is usually the first fundamental form that is taught after completion of basics, and the six strengths form. This form is seen mainly as an external form.
There are a number of possible reasons for breaking down the in/out step into its 6 parts. I don't want to speculate on this but the reasons that I have heard about this is similar to the one already posted on this forum. that is it is too long people aren't able to perform the whole form etc especially in modern day society. Whatever the reasons, the six forms referred to as Jin Bo, Pao Bo etc (arrow punch form, uppercut form etc) make up in some way the in/out step. However, these 6 'parts' have additional moves, and greater repetitions in it of the move that the form is named. That is Jin Bo has more jin (arrow) punches. In short, if these 6 parts were combined together the final form would ultimately be larger than the in/out step. What is likely practice in these schools where the 6 parts are taught is that the 6 parts act as a small breakdown of the in/out step and acts as a way of easier introduction before the in/out step is taught. This mind u is merely speculation. You will have to ask your sifus.
what i can say is that the unbroken in/out step is very hard to perform from beginning to end at full power. performing the whole of lau sing keun is difficult enough. This is actually the reason why the original In/out step was broken up into its two parts (shooting star and flying crane fist forms).
As to the reason why it is called in/out step my guess is that the footwork comprises of moving in and out against your enemy. It contains evasive moves, penetrating attacks. I would be happy to find out as i don't want anyone to rely on my speculation:)
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just a quick idea til tommorrow
do you think in/out has anything to do with or similar to sillimtao of wing chun like inhale/exhale pull-in/expand relaxed/tensed?????like its the basis to the lionroar method??????/til tommorrow
those papers ego recieved