I predict this will show up in the sig line of 75 % of the posters on this board.
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yep, it getting quite cold in hell.
Wilson is also 8-0 amateur. The guy may had started off against very tough opponenents, or maybe he need to get some 'ring sense' at a pro level. Whatever the case, I think his performance was much more than average against Miguel.
It looks like you're downplaying both fighter's performance by calling the Kung Fu guy 'average' and saying Miguel should be 'ashamed.' I've seen a lot of fights, and that was a hella good fight between two tough opponents. But, that's my opinion, and you're entitled to yours.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I knew it was too good to be true. I'll keep the sig anyways.
It was an "ok" bout. Just OK.
I dunno. The guy is claiming Shaolin. Says he has a Wing Chun background too.
http://martialarts.about.com/od/mart...nsitionmma.htm
LOL @ your myopia.
The MMA was just "OK" as well.
Don't tell me he's supposed to be some ubermencsh. :rolleyes:
What are you trying to say Abel? The guy's ranked number 1 in the country and 3 in the world in the Shoot 135 pound division. He's taken gold at the Arnold Classic and Gracie Nationals, and Silver at the Pan Ams. I wouldn't call anyone a superman, but how is this just 'OK'?
Dude, thats nice, but this fight was "ok". Nothing to base a religion on.
i wasnt impressed with this fight that much. the kung fu guy did decent considering all the flaming from mma guys. i expect more out of these "mma" guys that everyone talks about. the kung fu guy could have utilized his stances more to prevent from being taken down as much. maybe even use his leg and hip strength to pic that mo fo up and slam him down hard.
i think this is just the beginning of a coming trend.
there are more kungfu guys mixing it up with the mma crowd than some might think.
anyone who has studied CMA in depth at all knows there are deffinate effective qualities to CMA.
its just a matter of time before other people notice this. as well as kungfu guys utilizing this in an mma environment.
i see the kungfu/mma cross over as an inevitability.
almost seemed that wilson may have just had a flavor torrez wasnt quite used to, torrez just had to figure out the equation and solve the problem with a submission.
I want to mee the cat who studied kung fu for a thousand years. I bet he has one hell of a supplement program to be that old.:eek:Quote:
He may have studied KF for 1000 years but since he took two weeks of BJJ it doesn't count
Ginseng, all he takes is Ginseng!!
I don't buy that. I think it is just a matter of time before you start seeing good CMA in MMA. It's going to happen slowly, but it will happen.
If you think about it, CMA needs to do 2 things, invert the amount of time spent on forms with two man work and Sparr more, and work thier anti takedown skills more.
That is all that is needed, everythig else is there. We got striking, Kicking joint manipulations, throwing, ground and pound, it's all there. It just needs to be unzipped and worked.
We even have our own venues to hone skills in prior to entering the MMA venues.
I don'tthink yoou need to get rid of forms all together...although originally forms were only for the trainers to organise a curriculem. Also were more ment to maintian skills than develop them in the first place.
Kung Fu has grapeling, and throwing, just not the ground stufff like BJJ.
I agree that forms won't get you anywhere as far as learning to fight
I agree you need to learn ground fighting
But let's stop to discuss "anti grappling" for a minute
Teh term comes from "Kahm Na" (translated often as grappling) and "FAAN Kahm Na" (which is thus translated as "anti grappling")
The "FAAN" means to reverse or counter. Sure, mired in mysticism and BS it becomes all so much crap
In practical application, much of it is standard grappling fare
1. hand fighting
2. pummeling
3. hip movement
4. level control
5. snap downs
IE, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater
i think all CMA would bbenefit if sparring was done san da style with smaller gloves
u are right we have alot of good stuff here and we are too caught up in forms and technicalities if we trained harder and more realisticly alot of the applications might end up working outside of the kwoon
basically everything we think we know in cma should be stripped apart and put back together again to make it more relevant
(a good example would be alan orr's wing chun club here in the uk what e did woas take mma takedowns etc and take most of the boxing away replacing it with wing chun)
we need to take the application 2 man sets with a pinch of salt also
i think we kid ourselves too much when it comes to them
so yeah
thats how i think cma could have a real future as a "martial" art
otherwise its doomed
There is no such thing as anti-grappling.
Form work is a tool. Like any tool, its used for a purpose. Getting rid of it, or not, is a moot point.
Because:
What CMA REALLYneeds is people who are not 3 hour a week hobbyists to do it seriously enough to compete. If its not your "job" or even a second "job" then don't expect to be effective.
Note my sig:
Wow rudy, that has to be the most honest example of cma I have ever heard and also at the same time the most ****ing.Quote:
If its not your "job" or even a second "job" then don't expect to be effective
If you find that to be the case, why on anyone's count, would anyone ever, in a million years, ever bother wasting time on something that is so a$$backwards that you have to make it your "job" to be effective in self defense.
MMA guys who train 5 or 6 hours a week are ready to compete in a relatively short time. Why can't CMA just ditch the out-dated weapons, ditch the forms, and follow this model? It's the technique that is most important, right? So if a new training model comes along to develop the technique faster, why not adopt it?
Maybe in small town venues, but not in the major leagues. 5- 6 hours a week is nothing. As it is, you've described someone doing twice as much as what I was mentioning.
As it is, the "model" is about conditioning. Doing a form vs. jumping rope vs. climbing vs. farm work. whatever.
People who do form work to the exclusion of everything else are to be deemed obsessive and are not training properly. Its just as much an obsession to view them as the actual "model" for CMA practice. There is nothing in the new model that wasn't in the old one. Bag work? Sparring? Conditioning? Xyience?
Its only a matter of time. People in CMA with fighting in mind will be applying their art in mixed venues. Onasis, Asia, Omega, Shooter, Ross, they all apply their cma.
Obviously, if I were planning on fighting in an event I would put down the sabre for a little while. But If I needed it, the machete in my truck would be put to good use. ;) :rolleyes:
Ur starting to talk too much like Springer, i sugjest you back away from the key board, and take your wife to the Caymne's for a week.