Brazil followed by Iran, what a rough draw...
what's after that? Russia and China :eek:
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Max Erhlich placed 7th in nandao.
Alex Cisne defeated Khalid Pitcher of Bermuda in Men's 80KG, but then lost to Hossein Ojaghi of Iran.
Max lost to Sajjad Abbasiamir of Iran in Men's 70KG. Not sure who the Brazilian was.
Note that I'm just scanning the results from the official site. I got word of Max's win off his FB page.
Hossein Ojaghi is a very bad man.....
apparently them persians dont mess around
Looks like Malaysia is the only country reporting on this, at least according to the web news feeds.
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Wednesday October 28, 2009
Wushu: Mun Hua bags Malaysia’s first-ever nanquan gold at world meet
By LIM TEIK HUAT
PETALING JAYA: Malaysian wushu exponent Ho Mun Hua struck paydirt on his debut appearance in the world championships, claiming the men’s nanquan (southern style bare hands) gold medal in Toronto on Monday.
The 19-year-old chalked up a score of 9.74 to come out tops in a field of 48 exponents and became the first-ever Malaysian to take gold in the discipline at the biennial championships.
China-born exponent He Jing De took silver for Hong Kong on 9.72 and Timothy Hung of Canada was third on 9.69.
Mun Hua, who is also bound for the Laos SEA Games in December, is also the first Malaysian male in four years to emerge as the gold medallist in the championships.
Chai Fong Ying was the only Malaysian gold medallist in the last championships in Beijing, winning in the women’s taijiquan event.
The Malacca-born Mun Hua gave indication of his steady rise when he took bronze in the nangun and nanquan combined event yesterday.
It was Mun Hua’s biggest achievement since he first donned national colours in the 2007 Korat SEA Games.
The former Asian junior champion did not win any medal in the Games but went on to bag the gold medal for Negri Sembilan in Sukma (Malaysia Games) in Terengganu last year.
Malaysia also had much to savour on the opening day in Toronto as fellow debutant Tai Cheau Xuen took bronze in women’s nandao (broadsword).
The 18-year-old Negri Sembilan lass finished on 9.52 behind Russian Tatiana Ivshina (9.74) and Hong Kong’s Yuen Ka Ying (9.60).
Cheau Xuen was a gold medallist in the youth world championships last year and the Asian Juniors this year.
Another Malaysian respresentative, Diana Bong Siong Lin, finished seventh in the event on 9.40.
Team manager Chong Kim Fatt was ecstatic over Mun Hua’s performances and said that he had boosted the team’s campaign.
“The changquan (northern) and nanquan are the two basic disciplines and they are the most difficult events to win,” he said from Toronto yesterday.
“I am happy that we have produced a world champion and it is good for the future as Mun Hua comes up from the back-up squad.”
Chai Fong Ying, the 2006 Doha Asian Games champion, will be out on stage for the defence of the world title in taijiquan today while there is also hope on World Games bronze medallist Lee Yang in men’s taijijian (taiji sword).
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Thursday October 29, 2009
Lee Yang delivers second gold for Malaysia
By LIM TEIK HUAT
PETALING JAYA: The Malaysian male wushu exponents continued to put up hot performances in the World Championships in chilly Toronto and Lee Yang delivered a second gold for the country on Tuesday.
The 25-year-old finally got his act right in his third world championship campaign to secure first place in the men’s taijiquan competition with a score of 9.74.
Lee Yang won the men’s taijiquan gold.
South Korea’s Jang Young-ho won the silver on 9.73 and the bronze went to Malaysia’s Loh Jack Chang, who chalked up 9.72.
Lee Yang, the bronze medallist in the World Games in Kaohsiung in July, finished fourth in his debut in the world championships in Hanoi in 2005 and claimed the bronze in Beijing two years later. His golden effort in Toronto is worth RM40,000 under the National Sports Council (NSC) reward scheme.
The 21-year-old Jack Chang had a splendid debut when he took silver in the men’s taijijian (taiji sword) earlier. The Sarawakian scored 9.80 to be placed behind Huang Qing Yi of China (9.83).
Malaysia also earned a bronze in the women’s nanquan (southern style barehands) discipline through Asian junior champion Tai Cheau Xuen, who finished on 9.42.
It was the second medal for Cheau Xuen in the championships after a bronze in the nandao (broadsword) event on Monday.
Lee Yang’s performance brought relief to the Malaysian camp after Chai Fong Ying failed in her defence of the women’s taijiquan title.
The 2006 Doha Asian Games gold medallist finished in a disappointing 11th spot on 9.47 in the competition won by Indonesia’s Lindswell (9.80). Another Malaysian, Ng Shin Yii, missed out on a medal in fourth place on 9.75.
Malaysia have a medal haul of 2-1-3 after two days of competition and team manager Chong Kim Fatt is glad the team have managed to better the achievements of the last championships in Beijing.
“We had a total haul of 1-2-4 two years ago. This is also the first time we won gold in men’s taijiquan,” he said from Toronto yesterday.
“We have a team of more youngsters following the retirement of several seniors. I am so happy we are doing much better than we expected.”
last day is tomorrow.
All I've found this morning was this:
There's got to be some Canadian coverage somewhere. It's just not going up on the web...Quote:
Wushu officials to file protest
FILIPINO officials will file a protest after organizers of the 10th World Wushu Championships in Canada failed to include members of the Philippine national team in the tournament’s schedule.
Officials of the tournament earlier promised the Wushu Federation of the Philippines that the national squad will still be accommodated after they were informed that the Filipinos will be arriving late for the meet.
WFP representative Julian Camacho said they have informed the world body of their plight after Filipino athletes were not able to join the tournament.
Gotta love it.
Filing a protest with the IWuF is sort of like wetting yourself in a dark brown suit. You get a warm feeling - but no one seems to notice.
So..the protest will mean - their team will still not be able to compete since in all likelihood, the protest will not be settled until long after the competition is over.
The athletes denied their chance will still not be allowed their chance - you can't restage the competition.
The group filing a protest may find itself unofficially blacklisted and have their scores mysteriously lowered in future competitions ... Wait, surely the judges and officials from the IWuF would never engage in revenge for complaints....
Yes indeed...just another same old same old day.
Well, back in 1995 in the games in Baltimore, Canada fielded a very talented team in Taolu. In fact, one of their members did a spear routine that was probably one of the cleanest and technically correct I have ever seen.
Then another 2 countries followed them. The Canadian's score was over something like 0.25 lower than the two that followed. All the spectators, competitors, and coaches had a major WTF look and the displeasure was noted. The other two people came in with medals and the Canadian got squat.
I had the opportunity to speak with several people - some on the Canadian team, some on other teams, others... And it came out that the Officials from China were not really happy with one of the people who was listed as a Coach for Canada.
That was the year they went in with the idea that there would be 1 Gold, 1 Silver, and 1 Bronze for each event unless there were actual ties. On the first day, they had a LOOONG meeting that evening. Another the following day.
Then, they were presenting multiple Golds, Silvers, Bronzes for each event. The dais looked like the curtain call for a Broadway show after all of the medals for each event were done....many many people on the stage.
That one was due to the IWuF officials noting that there were a number of new countries with teams involved and they wanted to be "generous" with medals to hopefully grow the teams in the new and prospective countries. Politics in motion.
protests will get you exactly NO WHERE in the IWUF... it will be completely ignored AND they will take "retribution" on your team some time later
I wonder if these politics are linked to the fact that San Shou hasn't taken off in NA in a big way. I mean, there are so many San Shou tournaments without full contact, or without head contact... if full head contact was allowed, you'd see more wins outside of decision... which would mean less control over the outcome by the judges...?
Once you bring in the boxing commission, that's going to be costly for the promoter.
But there are other reasons for sanshou's tepid growth in America. Over to you, lkfmdc. ;):p
yes, these events are social.
it is more important to make friends than worrying about medals.
everyone is a winner just to attend or be part of it.
medal can only be awarded to one person.
but winning friendship or comradeship is more important.
Philipino team is good. no need a medal to "prove" it.
even thou they are late.
I know the committee will make it up to them one way or another.
it is more important that you know yourself that you are good.
than seeking the approval or recognition of biannual events.
:cool:
if this were true, there would be no such thing as olympics, or war, or sport. lol
If you are to present something as a competitive tournament, then competition is the name of the game.
Social events are for meeting friends and drinking tea and chatting etc.
Social events aren't held under the banner of competitive tournament.
In short, what has been done and what the IWUF seem to continue to be doing is wrong, unethical, and out of line with the spirit of competitive sport.
It needs to be cleaned up and the corrupted officials of same need to be tossed out the door on their asses.
It is difficult to be friends with people who steal from you, lie to you and cheat you.
If they reform , perhaps that can be a new beginning, but otherwise, they will continue to fail in their events if they continue to behave in their childish, self absorbed ways.
let me back up a bit.
yes. these are competition events for the competitors.
may the best win on the floor (taolu) or stage (san shou).
but social for the coaches.
when not competing, the students may make friends with fellow students from near and afar.
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It is unfortunate but there is a slightly different concept of what is and is not ethical in China.
China has a number of contradictions. For example, there are many stories of historical and literary heroes standing up for the weak, the poor, the nation as a whole, etc.. Yue Feh is one example. So, there is this ideal of one should be a hero like Yue Feh... Yet at the same time, there is the very common saying about standing up and out "The nail that stands up gets beaten down" that compared to the hero idea can make one totally bipolar.
Similarly, there is the idea that you should be honest.... and smart. Yet if you get cheated by a professional con man who cheats the best of 'em, you are talked about as being "stupid - Gan Do"
So, should we be surprised that in Chinese Competitions, they go to great lengths to have certified and qualified judges. Yet at the same time, the different colleges for wushu send judges from their school...and it is understood that if the beginner judge does not score in favor of their home team, they probably won't get the chance again.
So, we take that idea of "look the other way" and built in retribution and expand the sport out of China...and big surprise...it works the same way.
Shouldn't...but it DOES.
As for Sanshou's problem in the US started with politics. The Boxing Commission and licensing issues have been a plague since 1995 in Baltimore.... So, the possibility of building a sport that has no way of getting going unless those interested in competition obtain a license and the ones putting on an event are licensed with quite often corrupt Boxing Commissions...and then the required insurance...
Well, let's just say Custer had a better chance at the Little Big Horn than Sanshou did of taking hold.
This is sort of a human interest story, not really a report.
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Crouching Tigers & Hidden Dragons: Chinese Wushu flourishes in Canada
www.chinaview.cn 2009-10-30 07:27:09
By Huang Xiaoyun
TORONTO, Oct. 29 (Xinhua) -- Jonathan Leung had a very different childhood from others of his age. He started the wushu training at five at the Ji Hong Wushu & Taichi College in Canada's western city of Edmonton. And he had to practice certain movements every day while his peers went out to play.
The 18-years-old Leung just represented Team Canada in the non-combative Taolu discipline at the 10th World Wushu Championships (WWC) at Ricoh Coliseum in Toronto, which was held from October 24 to 29. More than 600 competitors from 72 countries participated in the event held by International Wushu Federation every two years.
Wushu, the Chinese term for Martial Arts, is divided into two groups. The combative elements of Wushu are known as Sanshou and feature spectacular full contact fighting. The non-combative, ritualistic elements are known as Taolu and consist of highly artistic and precise routines.
It is the first time the event has taken place in Canada, and the second time in North America. This year Canada is represented by 20 athletes including Leung, 10 in Taolu discipline and 10 in Sanshou segment. Some of them are in the top rankings in the world and already won some international medals including Pan American Wushu Championships, Junior World Championships.
"We see it is a great opportunity to raise awareness about Wushu in Canada and in the world," Sunny Tang, President of Wushu Canada, said of the championship in a recent interview with Xinhua.
Though this sport was officially born in 1949, when the People's Republic of China melded over 300 martial arts disciplines into a single athletic pursuit, Wushu was not introduced as a sport to Canada until 18 years ago.
Before that, Canadians only knew Wushu as a traditional Chinese martial art from action movies starring Wushu masters like Jack Chan or Bruce Lee.
Tang, also president of Sunny Tang Martial Arts Center in Toronto, organized Canada's first national Wushu team for the 3rd World Wushu Championships in 1993.
"Our team was very weak," recalled Tang. "There was not a tiny chance for us to win a medal, not to mention a gold!"
Situation is totally different now. Margherita Cina, one of Tang's students, brought the first gold medal for Team Canada in Taolu Women's Jianshu (double-edged sword) on October 26. Cina, a first year student of Arts and Sciences at McMaster University joined Sunny Tang Martial Arts Centre when she was five years old.
"Canada is ranked No. 1 among the non-Asian countries in Wushu competition!" Eileen Fauster, President Wushu Ontario, said with pride.
The number of registered members of Wushu Canada has increased to more than 5,000 in five years, including 3,600 in Ontario. Since 2006, Wushu Ontario has received funding from the provincial government every year to further increase awareness of the sport.
Last year, Canadian Wushu athletes brought home 13 medals - including three gold medals in the Taolu competition - from the World Junior Wushu Championships in Indonesia. Canada finished fifth in overall medal standings at the event. This is the highest ranking for a North American country in this traditionally Asian-dominated sport.
"Students not only learn how to defend themselves, but also learn how to be self-disciplined, humble and good team players," said Fauster, also a student of the Sunny Tang Martial Arts Centre. Fauster has practiced Ving Tsun, one of the Wushu disciplines, for10 years and won the Bronze medal at the 2nd World Traditional Wushu Championships in Zhengzhou, China in 2006 at an age of 44.
Hongyuan Luo, President of Ji Hong Wushu & Taichi College, attributed the growth of Wushu in Canada to the increased international exchanges of talents and theories.
Wushu is an official sport in Asia. Many Asian countries have professional Wushu athletes, while all the athletes in Canada are amateurs. China, where Wushu is originated, has always the highest level of Wushu performance and competition.
In recent years, many professional Wushu coaches and gold medal winners from China and other Asian countries came to Canada to coach students in Wushu schools, or set up their own Wushu schools. The most up-to-date Wushu teaching practices they brought to Canada helped the country's Wushu practitioners a lot at both theoretical and technical level.
Luo's own experience is a good example. Luo and his wife Daijuan Gu were both Wushu majors at the University of Guangzhou, China and practiced Taichi since childhood. They had been instructors and lecturers at the South China Normal University in Guangzhou before they moved to Edmonton in 1988 and set up Ji HongWushu & Taichi College in Edmonton in 1989.
Now Luo's college has three branches in Edmonton, Calgary, and Toronto, with a total of more than 1,000 students. Some of their students in Edmonton have been learning Taichi from them since 1989 because they found out there is always something new to learn.
"Wushu can push people to work hard and be the best," said Fauster. "I see our Wushu athletes have won scholarships and bursaries from universities. They always want to be the best."
The cake is a lie.
:p
I forget the exact quote, but in Cantonese there is a saying that basicly goes "the clever one cheats people out of money and avoids paying his debts"
PS: san shou was doing fine without the USA WKF and the IWUF but the commissions in NY and CA killed the two promotions that were driving the sport
At least Malaysia cares
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Wushu: Say Yoke and Diana bag medals in Toronto
2009/10/30
Ajitpal Singh
NG Say Yoke and Diana Bong added two bronze medals to Malaysia's haul in the Wushu World Championships in Toronto on Wednesday.
Say Yoke, after failing in two earlier events, produced a splendid performance to secure the bronze in the men's daoshu (sword) discipline with 9.72 points.
The Kedah-born exponent had finished fifth in the changquan (northern style barehands) and gunshu (stick) events earlier in the week.
It was Say Yoke's first world meet medal since his debut in the 2002 edition in Beijing.
Meanwhile, Diana, a 2007 Sea Games gold medallist, earned 9.64 points for third place in the women's nangun (cudgel).
The Sarawak-born exponent had earlier finished fifth in nanquan (southern style barehands) and seventh in nando (broadsword).
The bronze is her second World Championship medal after taking the silver in nanquan in the Beijing edition two years ago.
The two bronze medals boosted Malaysia's haul to two gold, one silver and five bronze after Wednesday's proceedings.
The two gold medals came from men's exponents Ho Mun Hua and Lee Yang in nanquan and taijiquan events respectively.
The silver was delivered by Loh Jack Chang in taijijian (taiji sword). The national squad newcomer also secured a bronze in taijiquan.
Fellow debutante Tai Cheau Xuen earned bronze medals in women's nanquan and nandao
And Iran comes in second after China, beating out HK.Quote:
Friday October 30, 2009
Say Yoke and Diana end stint with podium spots
By LIM TEIK HUAT
PETALING JAYA: Wushu exponents Ng Say Yoke and Diana Bong Siong Lin signed off from the world championships in style with bronze medal-winning performances in Toronto on Wednesday.
After coming out empty-handed in the changquan (northern style bare hands) and gunshu (stick) competitions, both in fifth place, Say Yoke secured a place on the podium in the men’s daoshu (sword) event with a score of 9.72.
It was the first world championship medal for the Kedah exponent since he made his debut for the national team in the last edition of the biennial series in Beijing.
Fruitful outings: Diana Bong Siong Lin and Ng Say Yoke (inset) won bronze medals at the world wushu championships in Toronto on Wednesday.
Korat SEA Games gold medallist Diana will come home with a world championship medal for the second time.
The Sarawakian earned 9.64 for her display in the women’s nangun (cudgel) competition.
Diana, who won the silver in nanquan two years ago, had ended out of the medals in seventh place in nandao (broadsword) and fifth in nanquan (southern style bare hands).
The two bronze medals from Say Yoke and Diana brought Malaysia’s tally to 2-1-5 with one day of competition remaining.
The two gold medals were won in men’s competitions by Ho Mun Hua (nanquan) and Lee Yang (taijiquan). The silver came from Loh Jack Chang in taijijian (taiji sword) and the national squad newcomer also secured a bronze in taijiquan.
Debutant Tai Cheau Xuen earned two bronze medals in women’s nanquan and nandao.
The 2006 Doha Asian Games gold medallist, Chai Fong Ying, who finished a disappointing 11th in taijiquan on Tuesday, will be hoping to make amends in the taijijian competition, which is one of the three events contested on the final day.
The other two are the men’s and women’s dual events.
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Iran comes 2nd at Wushu World Championships
Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:05:31 GMT
The Iranians came second with five gold, six silver and one bronze medal in the event, IRNA reported on Friday.
China won the championships after earning fourteen gold and one bronze medal while Hong Kong were third with three gold, six silver and three bronze medals.
The 10th Wushu World Championships was held at Ricoh Coliseum and the Direct Energy Centre, October 24-29.
About 1000 athletes from 73 countries took part in the event organized by the International Wushu Federation every two years.
Twenty Iranian athletes, both men and women, participated in the six-day event.
quickly glanced at what was posted online
1. WOW! China beat Ataev! WOW
2. Were there only 2 Americans this time? Max and Kasey??
3. Final results, a lot of the same power houses but a few relatively new nations in the finals, nice to see that at least
This Youtube poster has nicely uploaded a bunch of the competitors' performances.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNjv1...eature=related
Here are some of the San Shou matches.
10th WWC San Shou - 70kg - ITA. vs. LIB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwAEzebSpSo
75kg - RUssia vs. Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJoQ...eature=channel
Brasil Vs. Bermuda round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8TDsS2t_5w
We got an earful of reports already - nothing we can share from our position, I'm afraid. But I'll look forward to any rumors/tales any of you might have heard.... ;)
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Costly wushu oversight
By Beth Celis
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 23:32:00 10/31/2009
Did you know that weigh-ins are also required in some wushu events?
I only found this out recently after the Filipino contingent in the recent 10th Wushu World Championship
in Toronto, Canada, was not allowed to participate for arriving late for the weigh-in, which is required in the Sanshou event.
Only one athlete
, Stephanie Agbay, was able to compete. Taolu, where she finished 11th, did not require a weigh-in.
It was a waste of time, money and effort but no one blamed the NSA since it was the association that shouldered all the expenses.
Insiders said the costly oversight never happened before. Tan Si Ling, who led the RP group in Toronto, is one of two new presidents elected by the federation. The other is Tai Lian.
I do have to ask a question of Gene here.
While I will 100% agree with you that the magazine should not indulge in repeating rumors, innuendo, gossip, or sour-grapes complaints...
I would differ in the idea that the magazine, as a somewhat journalistic endeavor that is not simply publishing articles written by freelance submitters...but also publishing articles of news and interest to those in the community of Chinese Martial Artists - there is an obligation to report on the news - good and bad - and do at least some level of analysis.
Granted, when you actually do the job of reporting on a competition - whether it be an IWuF international event or a US only event - you can very easily find yourself pi$$ing off the promoter or the organization doing the event if you actually report fairly on problems.
But, at the same time, if problems are brought to light, there is a much higher chance that they will be addressed.
It would seem that an interview with the folks from the Phillippines - combined with an interview or responses from the IWuF officials who made the decisions concerning them would be reasonable...and balanced reporting.
Similarly, if there were any other issues, covering both sides of the story would seem appropriate.
So, if you were to do it journalistically, Why Not?
I support Gene, he's in a unique position
I was recently offered a "political postion" that I turned down, it would require a certain positon, certain conflicts of interest, etc... I prefer to be me, willing to say anything no matter who gets pizzed off ;)
back in the day, MANY of the us sanshou folks basicly said "you can't say and do those things!" yet they privately agreed with me :D and ultimately, I was right
if I hear anything more, I'll be willing to share!
...hold the phone, GLW. It's me you're talking to. When have I shied away from reporting what I see at a tournament or event? Remember what we did when reporting the Wushu Tournament Beijing?
The rumors so far are your typical bellyaching so far - nothing substantial yet, nothing a journalist would act upon. Perhaps I phrased that too provocatively. I didn't mean to do so.
what happened to my original "I support Gene" post?
The forum has been a little unstable today. I blame all those pesky ninjas. Anyways, thanks for the support. ;)
the following appears and disappears all day? :confused::eek:
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I support Gene, he's in a unique position
I was recently offered a "political postion" that I turned down, it would require a certain positon, certain conflicts of interest, etc... I prefer to be me, willing to say anything no matter who gets pizzed off
back in the day, MANY of the us sanshou folks basicly said "you can't say and do those things!" yet they privately agreed with me and ultimately, I was right
if I hear anything more, I'll be willing to share!
I was reacting to the phrasing. I agree that rumors are rumors. Reporting is reporting. I do not want to read articles about rumors... (of course, like most, I am not above listening to them :) )
If the IWuF deserves a good report on this...please do it.
GLW, sorry to have been so provocative. That wasn't my intention. My understanding - and this is solely based on hearsay - is that the IWuF is very sensitive to the situation since they received the brunt of the issues - stuff like missed pick ups of VIPs at the airport and various logistical problems. It's nothing earthshattering so far - sorry to disappoint. ;)
As you know, I surf the newsfeeds every working morning for more grist for our forum mill. I'm very struck by how much coverage wushu is getting at the Asian Indoor Games in comparison to 10WWG.
Gene, I think you are having database issues, that's all, no giant conspiracy ;)
My personal take, a lot of the "deatails" are hard to get right in an event like this when it isn't done in a country where sport is taken seriously and supported by the host country. We know when the world championships are done in China, they have massive support for the events. I actually understand that Italy was very well run. The USA, well, that was a disaster LOL :D
I haven't heard any substantial yet, and since the US team looks like it was 3 people (I mean sanshou) maybe I won't?
Logistics problems always happen. Some VIPs are more VIP than others...but these kinds of things are not the big issues.
More important are things that have to do with how the judging and officiating was done. For example, no one ever reported on the meetings at the WWG in Baltimore in 1995 that took place late into the night. The end result was that many more medals were awarded for Taolu events than one would expect. Even this obvious observation of the number of medalists was never really mentioned in any magazine in the US - presumably to save face for some people.
So...for me, I am in agreement about the VIP logistics issues. No big thing...but if there are any issues in scoring, weigh-ins, officiating, rule bending, etc... Now, those things are what I would be interested in seeing reported openly.