Yeah, harsh. Sorry. I don't want to offend. I'd love to get a reccomendation of somebody who is a TSD only trained guy who could show me 'real' TSD. I'm just pretty sure I've seen it, and I think it's just fine, for other people.
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Yeah, harsh. Sorry. I don't want to offend. I'd love to get a reccomendation of somebody who is a TSD only trained guy who could show me 'real' TSD. I'm just pretty sure I've seen it, and I think it's just fine, for other people.
Monkey, are you a sifu or a fight promoter? Have you entered their tourniments and fought under their rules first to show goodwill. With the disrespect you show for other arts I don't blame them for not showing.
There are no legitimate MA ties to the Hwarang. History taught in MA schools is quite different than what actually occurred. In fact, most styles that have made such a claim have corrected themselves (specifically Hwarang Do) by making it very clear that their style is in the "spirit" of the Hwarang warriors - not the actual art. Besides, Hwarang were young boys known for being athletic, artistic, poets, dancers, archers, etc., not a fighting brute squad. Now, ask me how I know this....
In the 60's this was a hot debate and most agreed that Tangsoo was just the Korean pronunciation of Karate. This of course was the inside scoop. Publicly, korean sytle practitioners wanted to separate their art from Japanese and Okinawan styles. However, certain brave Korean Instructors like, S.Henry Cho, in writing admited that much of Taekwon-Do (previously known as TangSoo-Do and KongSoo-Do) came from Okinawa, by way of JAPAN. Do a little research on the writings of S.Henry Cho and early writings of General Choi Hong Hi and you see they both admit to the art developing from Karate, or as they pronounce the chinese characters "Dang soo Dao", Tang Dynasty Hand Way.
Some additional Information:
Hwang Kee was employed by the Japanese railroad in Manchuria. Hwang Kee was good friends with Gogen Yamaguchi of Japanese Goju-ryu karate, who was also stationed in Manchuria. The Yang family was nowhere near Manchuria. Hwang Kee collected many chinese books on Kung Fu. Some had been published by the Ching Wu. Tan tui exsist in Hwang Kee's Tangsoo-Do but not in that of others, why? ;)
Pyong Ahn is the korean reading of the chinese charaters known as Pinan in okinawa and Heian in Japan. The Pinan forms are known to have originated in OKINAWA!, chief architect was okinawan Tode instructor, Itosu. Hwang Kee's own book on TangSoo-Do admits this, and is in fact one of the works with proof of its development from Karate. Why do people refuse to give credit where credit is due?, Japanese Atrocities durring WW2! and blind following. Most other forms mentioned are also okinawan with exception to TaeGeuk Kwon and Sorim, TaiChi-Chuan and Shaolin respectively.
As for seven stars,?
In closing, if TangSoo-Do is natively Korean, which Korean Instructor taught Hwang Kee before he was sent to Manchuria by the Japanese?
Let's see in the Chon Ji pattern set of TKD there is Bassai, Empi and Tekki Shodan all of which are Japanese kata. And then Tekki Shodan bears an uncanny resembalence to Okinwan kata Naihanchi which supposedly comes from a Chinese form. The cultural cleansing of Korean martial arts is almost funny.
Oh, absolutely!
The Forms of Tang Soo Do are most definately variations on the Pinan and Heian kata. No doubt about it!
But it is also difficult to deny the Chinese connections when looking at the later forms, thats all.
The Seven Stars form is a newer one developed mid 1980's I believe, and is named for a dream the developer had of the big dipper.
All my knowledge on Tang soo do is based on a crazy martial arts salesman. When ever I go to his store, he asks me what style I practise. I say "I do Choy lee fut kung fu" and he always replies "Aahh.. Shaolin! I know. Shaolin very good" I say "No.. Choy lee fut".. and he replies "Ahh. Shaolin"..
hehe. I don't care really.. he gives "special discount" to Shaolin practisioners ;) it's just that he always starts to babble about Tang soo do so I can't even get out of the store.
"Tang soo do very good. very much kung fu. very much shaolin. tang soo do very good. Chuck Norris practised Tang soo do. Chuck Norris! look here picture." etc..
hehehe. he's a nice guy, but I'd really like to get out of the store when I want to. I don't want to wait until his eternal monologue about Tang soo do is over.
yeah. but I'm sure it's a nice MA.
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