Wow. A chi sau exchange where someone actually gets hit.
Is this such an anomaly that people feel the need to resurrect ancient discussions and videos? I'm sure this clip has made the rounds here already.
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Wow. A chi sau exchange where someone actually gets hit.
Is this such an anomaly that people feel the need to resurrect ancient discussions and videos? I'm sure this clip has made the rounds here already.
There was quick action to cover up this "incident" when it happened. Hence the video being a new upload.
I agree. If Lam had been talking to the audience with his head turned and the guy hit him, THAT would be a cheap shot! But he invited the guy down to roll with him, the guy felt an opening and his hand naturally shot forward. No cheap shot, just basic Chi Sao. Why Lam got all huffy about it is unclear to me. He should have just smiled, said "good one!" and kept going. He invited a stranger down to roll with him and so should have been prepared for anything.
Chi sauing with someone for the first time, particularly from a different school, is one of the most enjoyable 'wing chun experiences' that I can think of. Everything is just so unknown and unfamiliar that it is a real test of skill to be able to settle the body as quickly as is possible, to be as receptive and adaptive as is possible. It is usually under such circumstances, rolling with someone you know nothing about for the first time, where I feel most at danger and most likely to be hit, particularly when the opponent is 'skilled'.
That ' s an old video , gary just got cheap shot by this guy , and gary taught him a good lesson of his life . But it really does ' nt mean that gary lam is junk . If Bruce Lee was alive today and I went up to him to shake hands , and to complement him on his achievements in martial arts and at one time cheap shot him , you can bet that he ' ll put me in the hospital .
And that guy got the best type of punishment in his life for cheap shotting gary lam . Well , you cheap shot people you better expect the same kind of punishment back . It ' s easy to cheap shot people , but you ' ll never know about the retaliation .
Stop calling cheap shot... sheesh.
Not only did the guy get in on Gary cleanly and legally, but that was not even the worst part of Gary's game that day.
WOW! What is the big deal. Everyone can be hit and has been hit! Well, except for PB and those that worship him.
I mean to me this whole exchange, other than the fact that it's taking place during one of Gary's seminars, is one that takes place definitely on a weekly basis in sparring.
Two guys start an exchange. One guy amps it up and sneaks in a hard shot past the guys guard. The other guy gets peeved and goes after him for a bit. Then things escalate until someone has a cognitive moment and realizes the escalation got a little beyond what they intended.
They slap hands.
Life goes on.
End of story.
Story's moral: In sparring don't hit a guy harder than you want to get hit.
Yet apparently in the WCK community, this occurrence causes six-part blog series of analysis. Bunch of frikkin Pointdexters.
So if it was ' nt a cheap shot to you ? then what would you call it ? Well , no matter what you really think about Gary Lam , he still has alot of students right ? The samething what they said about bruce lee ? But he still is popular .
Because as gary was attacking the guy , he just gave up , he could ' ve continued the fight right ? But he did ' nt , because he had enough . But gary had humanity in himself right ? He was telling the guy that it ' s no big deal , so he let the guy go . Well this is my opinion towards your topic post , and you have your own opinions towards my topic post . But no matter what everybody think about gary lam himself , he still has alot of students and seminars to attend to , so what does it tell people ? Because in this world today no matter how good you really are always get somebody thats better than you .
@lance
You know who else has a lot of followers? Leung Ting... yeah, and?
Problem is, you didn't bother reading previous posts in this thread that explain why nothing in the exchange should have been considered a cheap shop. Maybe go back and read my previous post, and others.
LFJ ...I have no stake in this argument as I've never even met Mr. Lam, but since you don't seem to get it, I can tell you exactly what makes it a "cheap shot" in my book.
When two people are rolling arms and the senior practitioner is being fairly passive (as compared to going totally offensive and running over you), it's quite possible for the junior practitioner to slip in an occasional shot ...like this guy did. As you described it "clean and legal". My students do it to me all the time. Good for them.
But to slip in a shot and then to break stick and jump back out of range, like some idiotic tournament point fighter is ...well, cheap. Here's why:
1. Real chi-sau isn't a game of tag. It's about getting into a position where you control the other guy's center and can hit him repeatedly if you so choose.
2. Let's be clear. This wasn't a fight, a challenge match or a contest. It was a demo. To play a game of tag like that against a senior during a demo and trying to "show off" is just plain rude, whether seen from the perspective of Asian or Western culture. If anyone can't see that, apparently they weren't taught much in the way of manners growing up.
And the guy could have totally done that. Gary rocked back on one foot from the push and then dropped both arms while the guy's hands were still up in his face. He could have completely embarrassed Gary right there, but rather chose to halt. You call that cheap? What would you have called it if he continued the pressure on Gary and embarrassed him like that?
It would have been fine, but Gary embarrassed himself with his emotional reaction to the guy getting in on him fair and square. They could have just reset and he tighten up his structure. That's what a real skillful senior would do. Show skill in response. Instead he showed emotion and use of his size to intimidate.
Even still, when Gary was trying to prove something the guy planted his hand on his face a couple more times. :o
Well said, instead of critizing the other guy, Gary Lam still has some room to improve his chi sao skill.
For the love of God, somebody please put this clip down
You mean this horse hasn't died already, been resurrected, lived a second full life only to be beaten senseless one more time?
This thread almost makes me miss terence.
Those guys have left for good by now and won't come back. That's the problem with moderation becoming more involved. First, it's too much of a time suck to do that for anyone moderating. Next, the community is dysfunctional, so trying to model an online forum where it is not is a losing proposition. And last, it always gravitates towards bans. Banning one part of a dysfunctional community makes a forum nothing more than a mouthpiece for another part of the dysfunctional community.
Despite all the warts these forums are comparatively free from the the acute vitriol that can be found elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin
Regardless, I and a few others offered to help mod these board but from what I have seen over the past couple of months, many seem to be self moderating now and the quality of contributions and debate has increased.
I agree and feel more relaxed on here lately. One thing that gets me though is the posting on the forum by people that don't do wing chun and seem to want wing chun to be something it isn't. I can't really understand the motivation.
This thread is a good example of it:
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/...ad.php?t=65534