All I can say is I would NEVER take something with 50 martial arts and 900 forms.
Because it would just mean that you suck at 50 martial arts and 900 forms. There aren't enough hours in the day to practice all that stuff.
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All I can say is I would NEVER take something with 50 martial arts and 900 forms.
Because it would just mean that you suck at 50 martial arts and 900 forms. There aren't enough hours in the day to practice all that stuff.
I have an interesting question - What ISN'T in Shaolin Do? :)
The bottom line is you are full of crap and total B.S., not to mention naivete, if you buy into Shaolin-Do's taglines.
There's so much overlap between CMA systems that you're just wasting your time. You guys probably develop an overview of a bunch of different systems and forms, and you might even gain some fighting ability, but you cannot go into depth in any of that.
Anyway, I'm out of this discussion. If people want to do Shaolin-Do, great for them right? But I think it would be a total waste of time. Jack of all trades, suck at them all.
Wow, we're creeping up on 200 pages. Pretty soon this thread will have as many pages as SD has forms. :D No one that I know in SD actually thinks they're going to learn all 900 forms. I have no intention of even trying. That's one of the many reasons I've been 1st black for 8 years. I am devoting the remainder of my MA career to Xing Yi. I will continue practicing everything I've learned in SD. It has given me a lot in terms of technique, mobility, etc. but Xing Yi is what speaks to me. As to anyone posting SD videos...why? With the exception of JP, as soon as someone says "SD video" it automatically sucks because it's SD. Maybe they'd get a fair viewing if they posted anonymously and said later they were SD, who knows. I don't understand why there are at least 100 other schools with over the top advertising, (see the 900 forms thing) or a legend-esque history, (see Su Kong), and yet the only school that has 200+ pages of discussion about it is SD. I keep reading how everyone outside of SD thinks that SD bashes other systems and styles. In the 12 years I've studied SD, I've never heard, seen or read this first hand. I know there are some SD schools that advocate a closed door, elitist attitude towards other systems and styles. There are also many SD schools that do not do this. I know the one I attend displays no such elitist BS at all. Oh well, the immortal horse still runs despite 200+ beatings. :D BTW, who's going to be in Lexington this Saturday? I'll be there, and I kind of stand out in a crowd. lol Come up and say hello if you see me. Peace.
There's just no way you could master Hsing-I in a short amount of time. It would take you years. Taiji years and years of practicing hours every day.
There's just no way in hell that you can master all that material in a lifetime. There's no way you could even become good at all that material in a lifetime, even if you practiced all day.
Compare your xingyi or taiji to somebody who does just that, for years. Do you really think it's good? No ... you might be able to do a form rudimentary but that would be about it.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Example, how many Hung gar forms do you have in your system? One?, two? Do you think you can grasp what Hung gar is about by learning one or two forms?
To understand a SYSTEM you need more than the forms. You need to know all training methods, conditioning, fight strategy specific to Hung gar, which are different from Northern Shaolin, which are different to Mantis etc... what you have is just a collection of forms borrowed from different systems, you don't have any CORE SYSTEM. Nothing specific to Shaolin-Do. But you guys don't seem to understand that basic principle.
Since I don't know much about your 'external' forms, how long does it take you to do all your xingyi and taiji and bagua 4x?
And suppose in your xingyi you have all 5 element forms, 12 animals, jian, dao, spear, staff, ancillary forms (combination forms), and partner forms? And you practice those all the time?
Same with taiji, you have large frame, small frame, jian, dao, spear, staff, etc.? And you practice those all the time? 4x each form, 2x or more per week? Plus partner forms?
And you still have time for everything else?
I don't think so. If you can do all of this, could you please then give us some training tips?
Do you also practice Hsing I chi gong as well as Bagua chi gong and Taiji chi gong?
LOTS of "respectable" kung fu schools have added Tai Chi to their curriculum. LOTS of kuntao schools teach hsing-i, tai chi and bagua.
It's been argued before that the "core system" of shaolin-do is in the "short forms". Quite similar to tan tui, they are a distillation of 30 from "108 steps of the lohan". The short forms are taught for the first few ranks, until the student reaches brown. Relatively linear in their current form, I've heard it theorized that this leads kung-fu stylists to pass the judgement "karate-ish" on forms that come later.
What's the ratio of training between Core Shaolin-do and the additional stuff? It seems a bit strange that you guys have hundreds of forms from about 50 styles and what represent the core system is 30 short forms (actually 30 forms is already a lot of forms). Why so much additions? Wouldn't it make sense to focus on the "core" of your system? I mean if you want to focus on Hsing I why not simply study Hsing-I from a Hsing-I teacher?
Yeah, but do they really teach hsing-i, tai chi and bagua? Or do they just teach bits and pieces of each?
Honestly, I don't care what SD does. If it works for you, that's fine.
But based upon the descriptions, it's starting to seem like that Shaolin-Do doesn't really teach 50 different martial arts, 900 forms, but rather something like 50 pieces of different martial arts, 900 forms, all done the same way.
the training in sd grows with each year you are there. every year you add more to your traing schedule. and every year you get that much better.
every form every style and every system we learn is taught so as to compliment the stuff we have learned previously. so all of our material builds on itself to give you a greater understanding of each form as time progresses. we arent given bits and pieces of each system.
our chen form is 83 postures. thats not a tiny taste of chen...its a big old bear of a form that takes years and years of practice to get down even a little well.
our beginning pa kua form is 186 postures or some such with half sections mixed sections etc thrown in. we dont learn bits of pa kua. we spend months on it and it is taught every other year for 3 months. we learn the rules of pa kua as well as how to train and use it effectively without damaging the body.
our hsing yi is the same.
we do not train over 5 postures and say "hey we know tai chi!"
we learn the material and we practice it. we do chi kung we do stepping..we do meditation and breathing techniuqes.
there is understaning with how we train.
no we dont spend every day on 5-10 forms of a system and call it done.
we build upon each thing to give ourselves a much larger grasp of the whole.
yes we do hsing yi weapons pa kua weapons tai chi weapons
so far in chen style we have been shwon the 83 posture and chen iron fan.
i dont know if our tai chi dow is chen or yang..golden tiger would be able to help with that!
tai chi we have the chen fan yang spear straight sword and tai chi dow.
hsing yi we have dagger and staff....there could be more that i just havent seen or know about yet.
pa kua we have staff sun moon fork knives dow and more
again i am first black and havent seen all of this so i am most probably missing forms.