Okay, then I gotcha ... there's no physical way even if you practiced all day you could master all that. To be able to fight with a drop of a hat in any of that. Even if you practiced all day you wouldn't be able to keep it straight.
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well i dont think id want to fight with a tai chi dow personally
i more of a punch and kick fighter so i just see that stuff as excellent training with an increased awareness of the principles of that particular system im using.
Not really, but that is what SD offers. For those who look for and like being exposed to many different styles, SD is for them. I also think that most that take SD for x amount of time do infact get the training and information to learn the styles more in depth if they choose to.Quote:
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was wondering if you believed that a style can be just as comprehensive as lets say, someone who knows 5 styles??
I would have to say maybe on that one. By definition, one particular style might not encompass all that might be taught in another. Would the student still gain valuable knowledge? Of course. But lets look at two differing styles..PM and long fist. Would the PM student have the same skill level when it came to kicks, low stance etc...as the Long Fist student? Would the Long fist student have the same hand and stepping skills as the PM person? So while both might turn the student into a great MA'ist, they would do it differently. If neither student had trained in Tai Chi, and then someone had trained in all three, wouldn't be fair to say that the 3rd might have a more complete well rounded skill set?
I can only speak for myself and from what I have read from the other SD'ers on here that we generally don't worry about other arts/schools/styles that much. But now that I have been asked, I think any style that offers a good external side, along with proper conditioning, chi gong and sparring, would be also considered a "comprehensive" martial art.Quote:
I was just curious to know if SD considers other arts just as comprehensive without 900 forms and 50 styles????
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Not sure who you are refering to specifically, but I was first introduced to Tai Chi (Yang 64) in the late 70's early 80's. So thats about 25 years working on that. Pa Kua and Hsing Ie, mid 80's so at least 20 years. Now I am not sure what you consider a "master" to be, but you do anything that long and you are going to learn a thing or two.:D
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Question #2. Nope, I haven't the slightest what Hung gar is all about.
Though it is not done as much these days, back when Master Sin was still actively teaching, all new forms were preceded by many months of all the things mentioned above. I will be the first to admit that that training is now lacking in a lot of SD schools but for some of us, it was there and still is.Quote:
To understand a SYSTEM you need more than the forms. You need to know all training methods, conditioning, fight strategy specific..(fill in the blank)
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Do you also practice Hsing I chi gong as well as Bagua chi gong and Taiji chi gong?
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Yeah, but do they really teach hsing-i, tai chi and bagua? Or do they just teach bits and pieces of each?
Still here Lung? Anyway, yes, SD teaches all of the mentioned styles especially now that there is an internal only side to SD.
Okay, thats all I can handle in one sitting. I will be back later if needed. Y'all be good now..
I'm sorry, but this just seems like complete and utter nonsense. I've met very few people who can keep up with one complete system like Chen taiji let alone practice multiple systems and have it all down.
So either you have down the piece you're working with now and are rusty with the rest, or you kindof suck at all of it, or there's something I'm missing.
Can you honestly say you're great in all of bagua, hsing-i and taiji? With all the weapons?
theres something your missing.
we practice all of it on a cycle with daily routines that each student does at their own discretion. i break up my training into weekly sets.
so as to cover all of my material
it all depends on what i want to practice when im sparring...we usually get 3-5 rounds of sparring per class...if you stay for brown belt and lower belt thats almost 10 rounds of sparring. lots of practice time.
if i need to fight i do whats simplest and least harmful to my opponent since laws as they are now make it dificult to defend oneself without getting in trouble for it.
so mainly on the street i use tai chi and lots of joint locks and palm strikes (to st 18 stomach area etc)
if i am in a situation where i need to use excessive force then i have done something wrong. but if such a situation arises i will use whatever system flows into the fight.
fighting is like bruce lee said
you must be like water. you have to adapt and change within a seconds notice. so i dont pigeon hole my fighting to this or that. i do what my opponent makes available to me. plain and simple
I don't doubt that SD produces some great fighters. I also don't doubt that SD allows some people to find alot of fullfillment, regardless of whether they become great fighters. What is troubling is the marketing approach of SD, in that it purports to teach all these various styles. A more honest approach would be that of JKD. What JKD is has evolved and is subject to much debate, but it purports to teach more concepts and theories than be limited to a style. The dishonesty of SD is that a student thinks they will learn style x and style y and style z. If one wishes to study a kung fu style, there is a whole lot more than learning a few forms. If SD marketed itself along the lines of, we'll give you a smattering of a bunch of different kung fu styles, and you might be able to study a particular style in a little more depth, (but not to mastery of any given style), that would be an honesty you probably couldn't argue with. The course of study of kung fu is forms, whether you agree with that or not, however, those forms are merely the starting point for so much more. SD teaches the starting point and fails at the "so much more."
If Shaolin Do has all of these systems within it, wouldn't Sin The be one of the most respected martial artists in the world? If Shaolin Do's history was true, wouldn't every Kung Fu master flock to be associated with them?
Hmmm. Okay, I'll bite. Do you guys train in some kind of shoes, or barefoot, though?
I don't train barefoot.
Anyways, maybe I can at least go see a class.
So I called but she's not opening the school until Mid September it says.
Oh, and do you have contracts? I don't do contracts.
The tiger crane duet is just one of the forms out of the hung ga system that is taught ..because of it's popularity, I was told ,it was featured so that other CMA /Kung Fu systems would recognize it and some of the other forms that are popular and realize that it actually is a chinese art
one of the reasons that I was told that Master Sin has taught many obscure and rare forms is because you can find the more popular and well known forms anywhere and he wanted to show some of the diversity of the art .
from what I heard EML was taught the whole Choy Lee Fut system!?!?!