What was this teacher's name and what style?
Next time, don't say you are SD. Show them a video. Back in the day, I was giulty of the same thing. Someone shows me a form, and i say it was good or it was real.
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I am not going to argue about where, how or from whom GM The learned his stuff. This is mainly because we can never know (not even his top students). Only His brother and he know the truth. It could have been from teachers, books or reels.
I am concerned with the way the forms are done. Please post some examples of good SD forms.
You paraphrased well. And most of the individuals that study SD for a while will admit (some freely and some begrudgingly) that their understanding of Pa Kua or [insert system here] is not at the depth that it would be if they had studied that system exclusively (from a teacher that taught that system exclusively). The end result of SD, because of the way it is taught, is that each individual learns the pieces of a system that works for them and that amalgamation is what SD is to them. What Sin The is a Master in, according to his certificate is Golden Snake. As far as I know, he hasn't publically taught or demonstrated his master style.
And Xia, get off the lineage. I don't have to believe the story to believe that the forms we have are of Chinese origin albeit performed with our own flavor. I believe that flying monkey will agree that most CMA styles taught today have bogus or made up lineages lurking in their past.
And Flying Moneky if you didn't think that Master Mullins' forms were good, then we probably can't show you something that would be better--only maybe a better choice of forms. I remember those vids you are speaking of. They weren't full speed, but Master Garry is one of the better forms people in our style. If that's not good enough, then just accept us saying that our stuff is done with its own flavor which makes it different from most other places claiming to do the same styles.
P.S. forgive the typos and spelling. I'm on my first cup of coffee.
I'm working on learning and comparing much of my stuff, but options are limited. A few foirms from a few sytems have been compared and they are, in my opinon, more similar than most people here would believe; however, the way they are played (even with the same principles in place) make it different. Example: our tai chi is generally performed much slower than others. 24 posture takes 12 minutes if performed at the speed we are taught. There are reasons for this, but that certainly makes the flow of the form different than most.
I can only speak for myself and the answer to the first part is no, I have only "studied" SD. I have though, through out the many years, trained with, fought with and talked to people from many many styles. And it might seem strange to some of the people here but if it was "right" or not never really came up. We worked out, traded punches, shared some of the techniques we knew and went on about our business. And during this time, I learned a lot from others but also, I got quite a few "wow, I never really saw that move that way".Quote:
Originally Posted by sunfist
While I am sure it has happened from time to time, most of the SD students don't judge other arts on if they are 'right' or not. Personally, if I see some different way that say Hsing Ie is done and I think it will help me, then it is 'right'. If I don't see any merit in it, its no less 'wrong', its just the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by sunfist
Not that anyone will listen, but I would like to touch on this supreme marketing campaign that SD has according to some here. To put it bluntly, there is none. (speaking only of the areas I know) Last time I checked, there was about 100 or so students at the Lex. gym. Aside from a small ad in the yellow pages, all new classes are advertised by word of mouth. No flyers,no demos, no newspaper ads, no nothing. There may be a mention of it on the web these days but even that is minor. The school is called "Sin The' Karate Club" and they teach the art of Shaolin-Do. I would say that 90% of the people have never heard of shaolin other than it is a temple or something in China. So all this BS about using the mighty legend of Shaolin in order to get students is kind of silly. Students that like it tell their friends and get them to join. That is our super secret, marketing plan developed by a team of MBA's that we borrowed from all the major companies in the Fortune 100. :rolleyes:
So, I am feeling the effect of my morning tea, what else do you want to talk about?:D
Creation versus evolution should do the trick, care to toss a coin for who gets creation?
I will back GT up on the Lexington school....EML runs this school and would teach for free if he could afford to.....he could care less about marketing.....his only concern is to pass on the art......our fees are the lowest of any school in the area and as long as he can pay the bills to keep the doors open and take care of his wife he's happy. Also he could care less about what you all think:D
I also have played with and will continue to play with other MA's of all styles and know one has question what I do....only showed respect.
Wonder how many people, aside from current students or those on this forum have a copy of that or even know of the site? And to be candid, thats a Atl. creation and to the best of my knowledge, there are no copies at the Lex gym. (which is where I was refering to if you read my opening statment.;)
By the way, welcome back MK. I almost thought that you left us.
I pay $45 a month for my instruction so I think its a good price. Most SD teachers don't teach full time.
Actually Xia, KC is showing previously unseen humility. His SD is spectacular, much like EMMullins; low stances, good power and form, flexibility & speed. If KC (or EMMullins) showed a form, it would look better than any of the videos I've personally seen. The same is true for a lot of SD'ers. ;)