Shh, he's obviously a "MMA guy".
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What is sanda/sanshou? I think that is the problem, people with small minds and limited views can't grasp the concept correctly
Guess what? If you take your traditional techniques but train the with modern methods and test them with sparring, then you are doing "MMA"... So is Sanda/Sanshou mma? I think YES.
But then some say, "well if you are an MMA guy, you must not know REAL kung fu" whatever the heck 'real kung fu" is supposed to mean :confused: :rolleyes:
People ask me "what would Chan Tai San think"? He'd be happy the guys can FIGHT LOL :D
I spent decades doing TCMA, and I've also done almost as much doing non-CMA
And why wouldn't I? I want to be the best I can be and teach my students the best stuff. Would I achieve that by refusing to learn something just because it isn't Chinese? :eek:
cross training started a LONG TIME before SJ arrived in the US. CMA people hate to admit it, but there was a lot of cross training in boxing and Judo in CMA circles beginning in the 20th century
AGAIN, if you are training fighters are you telling me you don't cross train in non-Chinese martial arts?
This clip was made in the 70th. A clip is better than 1,000 words. No style boundary is the believe for all combat SC guys
http://johnswang.com/Lin_strike.wmv
Unfortunately you may respect other styles but that doesn't mean others will respect your style. If you are a MMA guy and go to the emptyflower or rum soaked fist forums, you will be fine there. Your opinion will be treated as equal as everybody else there. If you go to the Judo forum and identify yourself as a none Judo guy and see how long that you can survive there. I even had a Judo guy said,
"You are not even a Judoka. Nobody will be interest in your opinion. Why are you still hanging around here?"
What can you do after that? If you try to beg others to accept you as one of them because you are different, it may be the time for you to get a rope, find a quite place, and hang yourself.
I don't post much any more. It's not a good feeling to "use my warm face to touch others cold ass".
Normally I'd never click a link to a domain named "johnswang".
No comment on the striking at the start of the vid, but the throws were good stuff. I especially liked the "hey buddy" sucker handshake takedown. I'm going to try that in jiujitsu and see if anyone falls for it.
As a professional martial arts historian I would be interested to see what research this refers to:
"By the way, the latest research tends to indicate that organized systems of Martial Arts arrived in Asia via Alexander's invasion. Which means CMA is probably derived from "MMA" (Pankration) anyway."
take care,
Brian Kennedy
I was invited to mantis, southern crane (fu zhou/foo chow) and five ancestor fist forums.
I only practice some mantis and not all of them, I practice some southern crane and wu zu quan.
I do not think I know enough to post.
so I read most of the time. post only once in a while.
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I meant style specific forums are more "restrictive" in their views of things.
but more in depth info and discussion would occur.
unavoidably linage dispute and what is "right" would occur.
to accept oppinions from not style practitioner would be almost impossible regarding specific techniques and stuff etc.
it is understandable.
:)
not to hijack the thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5tg...eature=related
an info link to wu zu quan for people that are interested.
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back to regular program.
:D
As a professional martial arts historian, you're not familiar with this? Pankration was around at least a century before Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha), Alexander brought it to India when he invaded, and then there's the quasi-mythical story of the Indian "Bodhidharma" bringing Martial Arts to China.
Occam's razor dictates that Pankration being the root of a formalized fighting system (or Martial Art) is much more likely than Shaolin; when all dates and facts are evaluated objectively and without cultural bias or predisposition.