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This thread should be deleted before more idiots come out to play.
Zim: sorry i wouldnt have ANY idea on that! i dont know anything about politics or what a government has to deal with :eek: But i agree that its going to be something difficult, so i hope all goes well :)
dawood
Well it's nice to see the idiots showing what they are.
Perhaps they could tell a soldier how they feel without the security of their keyboard.
confirmed civilian casualties are at a minimum of 493 or max of 652 today...
. . . t r a g i c . . .
Design-
Where did you get that data from?
I came accross Iraq Body Count .net who seem to have quite a comprehensive method for compiling data on casulties.
haven't found another source with such a broad pool of data gathering.... please let me know if you've come accross such a source.
I see they have a "broad" view of resources to pull from but I don't believe it can be called entirely realistic or relable. It all comes from pulling third party sources and one would have to have faith in those third party sources and believe these third party sources have no agenda or no mis-reporting issues.
Look at some of their sources, AL Bawana, Middle East-Online, Pakistan Daily Times, Jordan Times, the Guardian to name a few.
I honestly think the answer is at this time unknown. You can not tally up such a total without prejudence on the subject, which this site seems to clearly have, and to REVIEW each story case-by-case from a variety of viewpoints.
hey first of all my thread got moved into this one, now its all a mess.
Liokault said exactly what i was about to say :cool:
MerryP you from the "land of the free" and trying to shut down my protest, where did the "freedoom speech blah blah" go now?
Think im hurting some poor soldiers? Ask the family of the people they killed how they feel about AND THEN you will see whos really hurt and offended.
You pull the trigger because YOU WANT TO. Specially in USA since your soldiers are voluntary.
Soldier = Governament Aproved Murderer
yeah im the rock on your shoe!
REALITY -> KILLING IS KILLING
MURDERERS!!
M U R D E R E R S ! !
in the arab news websites. The USA has a policy not to report these figures.Quote:
Where's the Marine and Army body count?
There was a thread noting that you could send messages to the troops, but a complaint there was nothing for the UK and Ozzy forces. Found them!
for UK troops
for ozzy troops:
messagetothetroops@defence.gov.au
you seem to have missed mentioning the other sources that site pulls data from...
like I said, it seems to pull from a broader pool than any other source. Please feel free to point me to any other data sources.Quote:
ABC - ABC News (USA)
AFP - Agence France-Presse
AP - Associated Press
AWST - Aviation Week and Space Technology
Al Jaz - Al Jazeera network
BBC - British Broadcasting Corporation
BG - Boston Globe
Balt. Sun - The Baltimore Sun
CT - Chicago Tribune
CO - Commondreams.org
CSM - Christian Science Monitor
DPA - Deutsche Presse-Agentur
FOX - Fox News
GUA - The Guardian (London)
HRW - Human Rights Watch
HT - Hindustan Times
ICRC - International Committ of the Red Cross
IND - The Independent (London)
IO - Intellnet.org
JT - Jordan Times
LAT - Los Angeles Times
MEN - Middle East Newsline
MEO - Middle East Online
MER - Middle East Report
MH - Miami Herald
NT - Nando Times
NYT - New York Times
Reuters - (includes Reuters Alertnet)
SABC - South African Broadcasting Corporation
SMH - Sydney Morning Herald
Sg.News - The Singapore News
Tel- The Telegraph (London)
Times - The Times (London)
TOI - Times of India
TS - Toronto Star
UPI - United Press International
WNN - World News Network
WP - Washington Post
US military body count.
UK military body count
etc . . .
As for entirely realistic or relable... it's hard to say what would be in such a situation as this.
Didn't someone say something about truth being the 1st Casualty of War?
I'm curious why one wouldn't want to include info along these lines while "informing" their opinion?
I agree it is hard to say what would be entirely reliable in this case because you just don't know, its to big a broad specturm of data that can be misrepresented.
Even more so when said site has an agenda.
Kinda like Fedayeen guerillas playing civilan dress up. It gives a lot of room for exaggerated lamentations on the part of the doves or doom prophets.
please ease up on the invectives and personal attacks.
I have had to delete a couple of your posts now for those very reasons and the fact I am receiving complaints.
I know you have more to say that is relevant besides a thrashing diatribe and personal insults.
cheers
I admit I am touched by this letter. Here it is for your perusal pleasure relevant to the media coverage situation now.
This is a letter sent by Capt Winters, Detachment Commander, United States Marines to the Family and Friends of Marines serving in our War on Iraq, Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Subject: News from Operation Iraqi Freedom...
Friends and Family:
Ironically, America seems to know more about what's going on in the war on terrorism than the people fighting it. Seems like CNN's coverage of the war in Iraq has become the next big step in reality television. Please take what you see on TV with a grain of salt. There is a sensationalism with the kind of coverage you are seeing that will blow things out of proportion and make you think exactly what they want you to think. The reason I address this is that some of those with access to the secret-level internet (called SIPR-net, "sipper net") have found a link to a streaming video feed of CNN, brought to us by the Armed Forces Radio and Television Networks. I saw a press conference in which reporters were asking a General about the supply line situation, and if Soldiers and Marines at the front were getting the food and water they needed to survive. I can assure you that the Officers and Staff that are charged with the safety and care of America's sons and daughters will not let these young men and women go without if the issue can be helped. Here at our location, we have more than enough food and water, and the appropriate support to sustain ourselves. It's not five star treatment, that's for sure, but it is enough to provide us with that small degree of happiness and comfort that keeps a happy heart. These are tough times, and although the ground war has been successful up to this point, uncertainty lies ahead. Please use caution when translating journalistic sensationalism into what is actually happening to us out here.
Your Marines are performing to a level that no one expected. This command has been a crucial factor in the shaping of the battlefield. When you watch aircraft dropping bombs on targets in southern Iraq, that aircraft most likely got those targets from us. "We decide who flies the friendly skies" has always been my motto in this business, but we've started to take that fight to the enemy on the ground, with great successes. On all levels, from controllers to maintainers and support personnel, your Marines continue to endeavor to support the grunts at the front line and bring an end to this conflict. When the "war is over," will we arrive home the next day, no. There will remain a requirement to keep forces here to clean up pockets of resistance and bring order to this country. You're asking yourself it that means us.....I honestly don't know. When we do know, I'll be sure and let you know, but we could be here for a while. Understand that planning for sustainment is going on as we speak, but much of that has to do with how well we do on the battlefield. I know you miss us at home, and at the command level, we will do everything in our power to ensure the speedy and safe return of the Marines to you and the rest of your family. Believe me, when it comes to getting back home, rank really doesn't matter--everyone wants to finish the job and come home.
I leave you with a little philosophical note. Every man, woman and child who lives in the United States is entitled to the rights and priviledges of a citizen. Whether you like it or not, they can fly the flag, burn the flag, or wear the flag on their arm; the law does not prohibit any of that. A citizen holds these rights with no requirement to do anything for those liberties, they exist because a group of very smart politicians in a time of great chaos identified the inalienable rights of each man and woman, creating the most incredible communique of liberty ever imagined. However, when a man or woman lays his or her life across that same document in the defense of the freedoms outlined therein, that individual earns the right to call themselves a patriot. Whether it's taking blood pressure or taking enemy fire, every American who places their lives in harms' way to secure the liberties Americans enjoy every day joins an elite few. Their stories sound alike, despite all the technology and war fighting improvements. The tales of "Joe from Philly and Phil from Oregon" will endure forever, as will the tales of hard times. Where, you may ask, am I going with all this? I am positive that every recipient of this email is asking themselves what they can do for us over here. Mail is slow because of the focus on the front, email is limited, and phones are non-existent. However, there is something that you can do to support the effort. Fly your flag high, take a walk on a nice day, open your car windows and sing your favorite song as loud as you can....take advantage of the freedoms that your nation's sons and daughters are fighting to sustain. Nothing huge...I'm not asking anyone to take up bungee jumping, but enjoying the little things that make us truly free. Just to know that things are going well at home, that America is still the land of the Free and the Brave, is a powerful thing. Like fear, which drives one to accomplish things never before imagined or achieved, pride is a driving force that instills courage and determination to its bearer, allowing them to press forward and do great things.
Thank you for all your emails in response to these little newsletters. It is great to know that you are getting these and that they help. Please don't thank me, I am just doing my job. I care for each of the Marines in this Detachment like they were my own children, and my job is more instinctual than cerebral. Morale is high, and that's due to an outstanding Staff taking care of our Marines. We are well, and we are proud to serve.
Respectfully,
Capt Winters
Detachment Commander
France Replaces America as a Superpower
"You can't hide anything from us!" declared the intrepid reporter, "Tell us the truth!"
"Stop yelling at me!" cried Rumsfeld, slouching behind the podium.
"Admit you hadn't planned for resistance and your war is a failure!" the reported demanded.
"You can't make me," Rumsfeld muttered, now almost completely hiding behind the podium. "Dr. Rice, please save me."
"No," Condoleezza Rice answered as she walked in front of the press, "I've now taken a political position more consistent with my race and gender thus becoming a liberal democratic, a savior of humanity. And I want to announce that this war is evil and a Zionist plot! In fact, ever member of this administration including the president himself is secretly Jewish!"
"Oy vey! Our secret is out!" Rumsfeld exclaimed, "but it doesn't matter how ingenious you reporters all are, you can't stop our war now that it's started."
"But I can!" shouted a voice from the rear as the doors to the room burst open. In strode a hulk of a man, his clothing barely concealing his rippling muscles.
"Oh, it's Michael Moore!" swooned a female reporter, "The protector of truth and justice in this world... and I can't help but remark how great his hygiene is!"
"After my reasoned speech at the Academy Awards, support for this war has crumbled," Moore declared in a booming voice. "It has also embolden the Iraqis to fight against the U.S. imperialism, and now your troops flee."
"Don't hurt me Michael Moore!" Rumsfeld pleaded as he tried to run. He was stopped at the door by none other than Jacque Chirac and Saddam Hussein.
"America is over as a superpower!" Chirac declared, "But France and Iraq have joined together to form a new superpower - Friaqi!"
"And you are under arrest for attacking, me, a democratically elected leader in your greedy pursuit of oil," Saddam said as he handcuffed Rumsfeld.
"And all Americans are in trouble for their crudeness!" Chirac yelled, "Except for a few of your wisest, such as the paragon of virtue, Michael Moore. And your democracy will be replaced with a much better system where France tell you what to do and think!"
"And new dress code!" Saddam added, "Everyone must wear a beret and grow a bushy mustache!"
"And now the world will have peace at last," Chirac announced, "For all conflicts will be solved with endless debate. Now, as a first order of business, lets ship all those troublesome Jews in Israel into the sea and give the land to the peaceful Palestinians!"
"Hip hip hooray!" cried the reporters, ushering in this new era of peace and Frenchiness.
Whats that you say??
that's absolutely lovely...
was that a Cspan transcript or the script making it way around Bollywood producer offices?