Now children lets not get started again:)
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Now children lets not get started again:)
Hey guys no one even sent me any questions to ask. I wanted you to but since you didnt I owe you nothing. so anyway. I tried to get you guys to help I was able to derive what you wanted I think???. But I was not sure. You all are just madd because I was able to get answers that only you all can guess about. It was TWS that said I do not have enough pull to even ask questions of GMTh'e. So I owe you nothing. The reason I posted anyway was to let you guys know I did it and to let you know what I thought after I talked to GMT. KC
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Sounds like an exciting day of re-programming, K.C.
TWS, I think you should get off of the SD guys' collective arses. It comes off as total whiney baby stuff. Anyone with either experience or sense realizes the lineage of shao lin do is suspect at best, and total bs lies at worst. Regardless, it doesn't change SD for what it is, or isn't.
You should also "challenge" this schaffer dude, or ask him out on a date to cave crawling. Either way, you can get on or over with your relationship with him.
TTM, your a legend in your own fissured mind. I actually hope you continue to post, because your delusions are what's kept this thread fun. That, and Lo Valla's Manifesto.
If it bothers you that bad, just don't look...don't post...don't care like you claim not to. TWS, I hope you find the peace in your life that you proclaim, but we all know you're not going to change most people's minds and no one is trying to change yours. But, really, telling everyone to go to hell is just plain rude.
I agree. KC is satisfied, but, objectively, did we expect him not to be? If every question was answered by Sin The himself there would be the people that already belive him saying "see, he answered the questions" and there will be others that say "its all bs" and a few will be objective and point to the things that made sense as good and to the things that are unsupportable as meaning nothing. This arguement will never end here. Its a forum full of opinions, which means what is said here is meaningless.
Same thing happened when TheMeecer started listening and asked Sin some questions. He came back a true believer but wouldn't divulge the 'why'.
So what's the deal? Does Sin whip out a 13-in. c0ck in these private converstaions or something? Because that would impress me enough to believe anything he says.
that comment is just plain revolting. martial artists are supposed to respect others no matter who or what they are. you sir are a joke.
you are just an ass mk
that comment is flat out childish.
you know why people arent devulging what is told to them in confidence?
because your tiny little minds and huge fricking egos wont listen no matter what we say.
You know a 13-incher would impress you, too, KFJ. Quit lying.
If someone wants to believe something then it would take very little to convince them. If I ask someone questions in private, then I tend to keep their answers confidential. I'm convinced that most of the dubious areas of SD's history originated in Indonesia and GMST is perpetuating what he was told as a youngster. Couple that with the fact that many records were destroyed in China's history and the PRC's cultural revolution, then there will never be conclusive evidence one way or the other.
The best evidence against SD's history is the absence of references in other style's lineage. However, there's more than just SD that run up against that problem.
The moral of the story, don't worry so much about history and focus more on fundamentals and application. A good martial artist is a good marital artist and debates about whose teacher has the real stuff and who is lying etc just detract from the important things--how good are your abilities? Can you make them work for you?
Sd struggles so hard on this forum to get the respect they think they deserve and to be acknowleged as a legitamate and authentic CMA yet when they say they have the answers and proof they dont deliver the good to set us all straight,especially those who lived and breathed sd for 8+years and who dedicated themselves and their life to the school. If my research is wrong then please tell me where it is wrong? and tell the rest of us who dont believe or buy in to the "we're the true shaolin" what we need to know in order TO accept and acknowlege you as the "True Shaolin" and that SIn the' is the "SOLE INHERITOR" of the Entire shaolin curriculum.
Just about every other TCMA school or school with direct ties to the shaolin temple discounts everything that is claimed by SD and sin the',,EVERYTHING. as a result SD remains not a part of the martial community but rather a self proclaimed elitest that you rarely or NEVER see at any of the major tournaments that go on in this country and in china. instead all we have are pictures of everyone standing in front of the shaolin temple in china, or some monument erected to say that SD was there and that is supposed to give automatic legitamacy to who you people claim you are connected into? Its strange that with all the holes in the history that the Shaolin Temple in hunan doesnt recognize you guys other than you are another group that goes to visit and puts money in to markers to honor THEM. Its the same with the other schools in china that you have visited where you have put your honor marker at(which doesnt make you any more legitamate)
The losing of history at the hands of the communist gov in china or the PRC is not as lost as you may think. PLus the southern shaolin temple(whose History and timeline doesnt match up with Your alls) doesnt seem to recognize you guys either other than you go there to visit and be tourists and do a demonstration(as many other schools around the world have done)
Why would the Southern Temple that has now been rebuilt not be contacting you guys and saying "please come home and reinstate the curriculum there and put up the pictures of "Su kong" or "Ie Chang ming" or even make Sin the' the head abbot of that temple since it is claimed and apparantly you guys have the answers we all seek with respects to it? Dont tell me that the mean ole communists there keep you guys at bay and wont allow what is by your standards and history rightfully yours to claim since your alls TRUE ART came form there and no-one else. :rolleyes:
No the answers are there and the research has been done and it tells us ALL(even if you do not wish to accept it and be in a perpetual state of denial) is that All your school really is, is another hybrid Mixed martial art that rides the coattail of something greater than yourself for the soul purpose of making money and capitolizing on the american way of life(not that this is in anyway a bad thing to do, i am not suggesting that at all) The difference is that others who have come here to capitolize have done so in a manner that doesnt state outlandish claims and makes others out to be some flowery watered down representation of what You guys claim as "the true way".
SO if all of this is just a big mistake and you baqualin and KC and Kungfujunky have been told and are souly convinced, then put it to rest here and help to elevate your school and proclaim and make legitamate to the rest of the TCMA world that You guys ARE IN FACT The True and original lost art of Shaolin Direct from the Southern Temple.
And for me it starts with Su kong, because if you guys can show and provide us all with the information needed to without a doubt identify who he is and his direct lineage to the southern Temple and why there is a picture of him in a 1930's american made suit and tie and explain the other pictures of him that we have found, then i will humbly and gracefully accept my mistake and you will never hear from me ever again. And i am sure that Gene Ching would be interested in this info as well and he may do another article on it since this seems to be THE MAIN Topic in this whole forum that is the most debated and questioned.
You guys would get the acknowledge ment and the respect from the rest of the TCMA world that you feel you deserve(whether you care about what they think and feel or not) obviously you DO care or else this thread wouldnt be as long as it is.
We all are waiting,,,TWS