Vernon ,
Welcome , to this thread , who is your teacher in JKD ? Are you learning the original JKD or JKD concepts ? Just wanted to know ?
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Sure it works well against skilled fighters. I started training WC 56 years ago, and it is the only way I know to fight. I can make it work, even now in my old age it has not abandoned me. Most all other forms of fighting will eventually abandon you due to your old age. WC is forever once learned. I have a high ranking in Jap Jiujitsu, and yet only use it when I do not want to really bust someone up. But if I am mad at you and really want to do you a job, I can do it with WC. I have the skills. If you really want to make WC work for you, you have to have confidence in it and train it like you trust it. Otherwise it is just a game of chi sao for you.
I agree with you on one of your points.
And that is WC being able to be used into later years, i know some good guys into there 50's and 60's, and styles such as MT are hard on the body (great for finess though)
BUT... when it comes to delivering straight out, competitive fighters you cant argue with the evidence that keeps coming back to boxing/mt/bjj/wrestling as the better styles
Don't you mean why are there no Wing Chun fighters on Tee Vee?
i know boxers and judo guys still able to hand people their backsides well into their 50's
the question should probably be if there are so few examples of wing chun working for people in their 20 and 30's against other skilled fighters, what makes anyone thing that as you get older, slower and weaker it will suddenly work better than those styles
Mybrown , excuse me for reading your thread wrong , your wing chun lineage Ho Kam Ming / Austine Fong , I heard that they ' re good , so keep up your wing chun training . Because now that you mentioned your wing chun lineage and the number of years of experience you have in wing chun , now I can see where your comming from , so sorry to misunderstand your thread . You should be good by now so I ' ll leave you alone .
As for your qustion why is ' nt there any WC fights out there or anywhere ? Well your guess is just as good as mine a big ? .
Is Fong Sifu still teaching Hung Gar ? Because I heard that he learned Hung Gar and choy li fut . But anyway , keep training up the training .
Yep, dont personally know any judo guys but i know a few 50 plus boxers that can more than look after themselves.
The reason the older guys in WC appear good is that they (generally) only train with their own students..... they know their juniors game so its a no brainer that they appear superior.
Especially if chi-sao is the measuring stick.
So when the 20-30 yo's finally meet up with, say a 20-30 yo MT stylist, they get owned
And i think its criminal that these instructors dont get their studemts to mix it up with other styles...its either arrogance, stupidity or a combination of both.
And if i read one more guy say, i know this guy thats never been filmed blah blah blah..... ill puke
The answer is actual quite simple:
The reason you don't see many ( virtually none to be honest) WC practioners fighting full contact is because the VAST MAJORITY of them do NOT train to fight full contact or compete.
The reason you see so many boxers, MT fighters, MMA fighters, BJJ fighters and so forth is because a sizeable percentage of them train to fight and compete.
Now, perhaps the "more correct" question is why don't more WC people train to fight and compete.
And that is a very good question.
And just to comment on the issue that Wing Chun doesn't look like any other fighting:
It doesn't look like any other fighting methodology because it doesn't work.
If it looked like all other methods (somewhat) then, in my mind, we could all kick back with a cold one believing in our hearts that NOW our Wing Chun was functional.
As threads go--this too is zig zagging. To answer Matt's original questions- if I got it right..or atleast give some observations and opinions.Not arguing with others-nor preaching.
1. Matt himself posted a shot of a wc guy who won againsts a MT guy.
2. Lui Ming Fai's website has won against a MT guy and his site has a shot of him .
3. I have seen several of Matt's sihings- not from his kwoon-in action against non wc guys in tournaments-that includes Dom, Danny and Nancy- no videos were involved.
4. I got disqualified in a couple of matches against non wc guys for breaking the rules and excessive force..I was interested in only what works and it did. No pictures- no interest in trophies.
5. I squared off against a MT instructor in NY in the 90s- to see what worked- and was satisfied.
Ditto- in experimenting with grapplers and strikers.
6. There are pics of wc against non wc that I have seen that are not on you tube.
7. wing chun is not just conceptual- it is combative.
8. My advice to anyone who has done wc for 8 years or so and don't have confidence in their wc-
do something else. Wing chun is not the only way to combat- but I am happy and confident with it.Acceptance by others is not my goal.
joy
I trend to think its more the training rather than the system
.lots of wing chun schools don't do any bag work or sparring, lots don't even do fitness, just lots of chi sao, so they don't do well when they spar , because they don't learn opponents timing and mobile foot work.. If u want to do well sparring against other styles then u have to practice sparring