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Originally posted by Jack Squat
Former,
I apologize for the "psychosis" statement. Please accept.......It won't happen again.
You're on the wrong thread. Mental illness can be foundhere.
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In other news,
I guess my view on TCM can be summed up as this-
If you have a modality which can accurately predict changes in a disease pattern and it's use can indeed effect these changes, I can accept it as valid. To use a metaphor, it does not matter to me if you define a formation of clouds as "stratified" or as "the viel of the Gods". If you can accurately predict when it will rain using your system, and do so, I will view it as valid. The names are simply names (a rose is a rose....)
I don't think anyone would disagree with this statement. However, what's up with the people who get upset when asked for well-designed research to support the assertion of efficacy?
Yes, I know it's irrelevant, but I'll leave it anyway.
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TCM does indeed "work", whether it's by biochemistry or "chi".
You're sure of this? I'd think someone trying to be accurate would say parts of TCM appear to be effective while other parts deserve to be dumped in the dustbin of history. Look at the thread I referenced, the efficacy of acupuncture (something I'm mostly convinced is reasonably effective for chronic pain) versus wondering if too much ejaculation is bad for your health.
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I know you don't like anecdotal evidence, but I have witnessed with my own eyes this situation- A person was being needled for a certain condition. She had never had acupuncture before and knew nothing about it or it's basic theories. Yet she accurately described where she felt "something" moving up her arm and eventually into her head area. She described perfectly the path of her sensations which directly corresponded to the path of an acupuncture channel. This cannot be explained as nerve conduction, as there are no corresponding nerves which travel in that exact way. How is this explained?
I don't know how it's explained. Would you expect it to be widely reproducible under controlled conditions?
If it is/isn't, what would this mean?
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The "qi", or "whatever" travels in pathways that are not yet know by Western science.
For the sake of a conversation, assume the previous statement is correct, would you speculate on how western science could "find" the passageways?
Just saying they're "unfindable" would pretty much ruin our discussion.