BOTH.
I hear stories of both, but so far most people only talk from hearsay from someone that heard something, etc.
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BOTH.
I hear stories of both, but so far most people only talk from hearsay from someone that heard something, etc.
You have offended my famiry, and you have offended the Shaooo-Lin Temple. Now You must die!
this is a good one.
:eek:
School to school challenges...
That's what tournaments and opens are for.
That kind of stuff doesn't happen too much at all anymore.
Seems the rivalry is more in the in-style politics now.
well, except for one poster here who used to meet anyone by the pond at 11:45 on the night of the full moon, if it was a sunday, in may and only if three pigeons, two squirrels a duck and an empty yogurt cup were present.
:rolleyes:
I've heard stories as recently as a few years ago were there was some problems at a lion dance tournament in singapore or somewhere in malaysia. Spear through a drum or something like that.
Not much in the way of count danté stuff these day.
cheers
i must admit that the stories i hear about challenge matches that happened 20 years ago very intriging. especially if the person telling me was involved. seems so movie esque. its like how could chinatown in the 70's and 80's been so different from now?
I fought a guy from a local TKD school about 18 months ago. He came into our school on a Friday night and pretty much challenged us. He said he wasn't allowed to spar anymore at his school because he was too rough, and he wanted to know if we would like some lessons. I was the senior student present, so I accepted.
I choked him out in about 5 moves.
Folks wander into my master's school all the time ... it usually equals a new student or two. At 62 my master insists on handling these things personally -- something that I hope changes very soon.
In the mid/late 80's when I was spending some time with the southern mantis guys we had 3 taekwondo "champions" call on us and issued a challenge.
One of them had trained in Korea for a year, one of them was a 4th degree black belt yadda yadda yadda. They got mightily upset when our Si Suk asked one of the mid level students to go against them. Terribly insulted. I think the student was a bit put off too - he looked like he was $hitting pineapples.
Anyway - Mr "I've been in Korea for a year" went first, dropped into a full box split and bounced up ready to go. Told us not to be ridiculous when we offered them headgear to wear. Our guy - eyes wide and perspiration on his top lip,looked a bit lost. I don't think he'd ever even contemplated doing the splits before, much less had someone offer them up to him right in his face.
Mr Korea All Star came in with a fast high round kick, caught our guy upside the head and sat him on his butt. It was a beautiful kick. Mr Korea looked back at his cronies, laughed and told them they had nothing to worry about.
Our guy gets back up and shapes up again. Taekwondo guy faints a front kick which he turns into another high roundkick. This time, our guy, already moving forward to intercept the front kick, steps inside nicely as can be, swings a hammerfist (gow chui) down onto the taekwondo guy and obliterates his nose and two front teeth.
Much blood from "I've been in Korea" dude.
Much silence from his friends.
The taekwondo guy falls over, clutching his face. His friends stop to recover one tooth (we found the other one later), picked him up and they all left.
Our guy still looks like he's just laid an egg.
It's late here - if this thread is still active when I come back I'll post another about my encounter with a judo guy.
A teacher I know wasn't welcome in town when he had his first school there. When people would talk down about him he'd invite them to the school, ask what there beef was. If they openly said to him what it was (usually talking about how young he was, or wasn't good enough yet to open a school) then he'd say well, I know this, and say if I need to prove myself I will, the pads are over there, why don't you put some on. He'd do this in a friendly matter, usually the two would cross hands in a, "friendly," way, trading techniques etc. If the person was being shady, he'd do the same thing, only ask them if they'd stop badmouthing him, over time, if they didn't stop they'd end up sparring, etc.. lets just say that he was better respected after this whole ordeal was done. A lot of these guys were saying he couldn't fight, he didn't know his arts, etc. Trying to take away his students and if unsuccesful would try to pick fights in extreme cases.... There are some details that aren't included, but that is the general gist of how things went down. I met one of the guys that this guy fought not too long ago, he did corroborate the story, and helped this guy out after they, "crossed hands," and said,"I thought that these (lists off like 5 guys) new there stuff and they badmouthed him, so I figured they were right when they said he was stepping on toes," then added, "After we crossed hands, I realized that he was cool, new more than most those other guys, but he just happend to be younger, I think they were just jeoulous."
About 10 years ago a guy called Tony Leung was teaching temple mantis in london. He was quite big on pushing him self and had a monthly spot in the UKs biggest maertial arts magazine but he seems to have disapeared now.
Anyway he was big on liniage and decided that if you can not trace your line back 10 generations yada yada yada. He also wrote a list of guys teaching kung fu that didnt meet up to his idea of correct liniage and thia is the stare of his problems.
One of the guys who did kung fu under a person named by Mr Leung took offense at this, went to his school and challanged him thre old fashioned way.
Now its hard to make out what happend next but there was fighting between the 2 principles involved. The out come remained unclear as I have heard the story from both sides (I know the challanger and Tony Leung printed his version of the story in a magazine) and both claim some form of victory.
The out come is really not the point........the poiint is that this stuff still happens.
I've been in that situation also.Quote:
Originally posted by MasterKiller
I fought a guy from a local TKD school about 18 months ago. He came into our school on a Friday night and pretty much challenged us. He said he wasn't allowed to spar anymore at his school because he was too rough, and he wanted to know if we would like some lessons. I was the senior student present, so I accepted.
I choked him out in about 5 moves.
Once, at our BJJ class, Renzo Gracie gave a special seminar. People from 4 different states came to watch as Renzo is a world-reknowned instructor in the deadly art of Jiu-Jitsu. Unbeknowngst to we the participants, a small Korean guy about 5'4" was standing near the back of the training hall. Renzo was working with one of his partners when the guy walks up to Renzo and said, "BJJ no good to fight!" Renzo is like, who is this guy? He kindly says, "what is your background in the martial arts" to the Korean gentlemen. "Hwa Rang Do," he replied. He was short, which was unusual, but quite stocky. "Would you like to cross hands" says Renzo, assuming a stance with his arms held slighty open. The challenger suddenly jumps onto the air and side kicked Renzo in the head, before we could blink, and soon blood and teeth were flying everywhere. I tell you, many of us left our study of Jiu-Jitsu that day and signed up with the local Hwa Rang Do instructors. However, we never found out who the challenger really was.
Being a spirited poster here on the forums and once a proud Sd student i brought it upon myself to challenge Reemul becuse he was, as others were and still are bad mouthing SD. So i decided to challenge him and it first i had the support of my teacher, although he was rather hesitant(for obvious reasons about How SD is seen my the rest of the MA world) anyway i meet reemul and we show forms and talk with a few participlants there. we decided to postpone the sparring as we were in a park with families around. we re-scheduled and i met reemul on his turf at the east wind training hall(now mind you the shakey support i had of my teacher was now withdrawn and i pretty much had to go thier on my own. going with downed spirits and heart not being in it i met the challenge and got my a$$ kicked(and actually reemul was being leniant with me for i think that he could see that my heart wasnt in it). Challenge ended with respect gained from eastwind and reemul(i believe this to be true) and i reprioritized my feelings and dedication to SD and decided to leave SD and become an independant.
Schools challenging schools i have learned is a touchy thing, especially when a school doesnt want to really defend itself against its critics, they instead do nothing and the students of said schools have to defend it for them, which i think is wrong and shows little or no integrity on the schools founders part or the main instructors part.
you know it would be better if schools could just leave other schools alone and not be so harshly critical but sadly this is not a reality, one has to deal with others in the community and i believe that one should be active and open in the martial arts community rather than elitest and a snob.
Anyway with the challenge of reemul leaving me with cracked ribs and a better sense of who i am and how i needed to better train and gear my thinking. So i think in some instances the ego challenging thing can be a positive one.
Many respects,,,The Willow Sword
I repeat my challenge to MP and SevenStar to fight me 2 on 1.
Wimps.
:cool:
Mr. Bad guy from the karate kid movie, owner of a "learned during WWII from a mysterious monk on a mountain but didn't catch his name" style karate dojo reads a magazine article about Mr. Korean Big shot that he disagrees with. So he walks into Mr. Korean's place during a class, accompanied by his senior students, and starts waving a .38 pistol around and spouting off. Mr. Korean Big shot sits quietly until they are finished and leave. The next week Mr. Korean goes to the owner of the building where Mr. Bad is renting, BUYS the building for cash and evicts Mr. Bad, Mr. Korea moves in and makes it his national headquarters.