I believe it is an idea, a philosophy, a spirit and yes it is/was geographical location... but seeing as I only have the teachings, my practice and dont live there, thats all it is to me, cool :cool:?
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That's just nonsense.
Unfortunately you don't gave any of the Shaolin philosophy or spirit, all you have are questionable Kung Fu moves.
Shaolin is NOT about fighting or martial arts, that's just a side effect of their pursuit of enlightenment.
Too many peeps go off the deep end with this stuff. No wonder it's so easy to scam, the marks do all the work for you. :D
Shaolin IS a place. I agree.
From whence came three treasures.
Martial Arts, Medicine, Ch'an.
Maybe to you. You have your opinion I have mine, So?:eek::cool:
haha You dont know anything about me. :)
you never know, I might know more about this than you might think or believe. :D
to assume that I am off the deep end about any of this means you havent understood or wanted to understand the truth in what I am saying. :cool:
Your "truth" is actually not a truth. It's how you processed a reality, and there is an absolute right or wrong, regardless of whether or not your brain processed the stimuli correctly.
I can say that your gun cannot harm me, because I don't believe in it. But rest assured, pull the trigger and I'll be quite dead.
Secondly, vague wording simply used to eliminate specific facts isn't fair play. If Shaolin is a physical place, then it is exactly that, regardless of what you wish it to be.
Westerners need to get out of the ridiculous habit of embellishing other cultures as a method of somehow creating their own identity and sense of uniqueness. In the end, that's what it boils down to. People get wrapped up in this horse**** because they want to feel special or unique. Obliterates the concept of selflessness when it's all about you.
The martial arts, I lean towards Dr. Meir Shahar's work in regards to as to why that exists and thrives in a Buddhist monastic temple in China.
The medicine is part and parcel to Buddhism in it's call for compassion and right action. All Buddhist monastic temples would have medicinal practice within them in some way shape or form.
The Ch'an is Dhayana and distilled into the unique Chinese Ch'an Buddhism which was founded and seeded at the Shaolin Temple.
All in an effort to fulfill the 8 fold path and employing the 5 precepts to do so along the way.
The 8 fold path is the way to end suffering in Buddhist thought. There are many variants of how to teach or instill each of the calls in the 8 fold path. Through involvement with the three treasures, a person can instill through time and effort (Kung Fu) Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right effort, Right mindfulness and Right concentration.
In their abstract conceptual form, any of these 8 can be applied in mind or body.
Standing on the shoulders of giants, trial and error and probably more than a little faith have brought us to today. And that too shall pass. :p
MY truth?? I don't have my own personal truth ....for the third time today, what do you know about me ? :)
When did I say I didnt believe in wrong or right? :confused:
Now who's going over the deep end?:rolleyes:
the choice is there to pick it up and use it, part of that is knowing when and how to use it, it wont do anything else but sit there otherwise.:D;):cool: I know its potential and dangers.:cool:
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you are making a lot of assumptions. :eek::D:cool:
1. I don't have to know you if you fall into a common category of narcissistic abusers of emoticons. You aren't special or unique (See previous post).
2. You took a lot of general statements very personally.
3. You are doing exactly as I described. If it looks like a duck...quacks like a duck. You get the picture.
Why do people think they can make ridiculous comments then brush off criticism with "you don't know me or anything about me"? On a forum all we have to judge others on is their comments. Say dumb things and everyone will question your intelligence (general statement, not directed towards you).
I understood what you said. If you meant something else then you didn't articulate it very well.
1. Haha thats really funny, wow you came up with all of that on your own Drake?
2. actually I took things that were said about/ to me specifically and responded to them accordingly. I woulld expect someone who is focusing so much on the details of the conversation that you would know the difference.
3. decribed where? in your lists or judgmental views of people and things? whatever dude....
Give it a rest
what did I say that was dumb to you sir? generally and specifically??
well I am glad you did nt have any problem articulated what you meant . lt would be easier just to ask me what I meant if you didnt understand it rather than trying to be offensive. luckily for us I didnt take it in that way and will take what you have said into consideration.
If I dont make myself clear enough for everyone to understand what I mean in the future I will do what I can to articulate my comments better so all of you can relate to me better and so I an understand and relate to all of you better.....ok?
but not particularly JP's integrity. While I've agreed that some culpability lies in the part of the believers, most is with the liar. We're all human and at different times in our lives crave something that sometimes we can't really articulate. Sometimes, something falls in our path that fits that craving and we go with it. Sometimes you get far enough along that path with the craving that you have to keep going, at least for a little while. I discovered the truth about my old teacher and school but stayed for another 2 years so I could at least say that I had studied a 'system' for 13 years and been ranked to the level of 'teacher' in that system. Then, i got the **** out of there as fast as I could and have never, well 'rarely', looked back. And, yet, I still got some good things from that experience.
AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.
Word... and just coz you can prove a lineage does not mean you are doing what the founder did. In fact I would argue that in most OLD styles that what we see from todays lineage holders would be quite different from what the originals looked like. Even with manuals that show the postures but no have no transitional data, those are very susceptible to changes despite the fact that the style has been illustrated.
Take SupGee from Bak Mei for example. Even in the CLC lineage I have seen like 30 different versions of the same form. Some carry the same principles, some don't. But all are legitimate and can trace their lineage to the same people.
I'm a B-Boy, and when I do a certain move it doesn't always look like others doing the same moves because we all personalize and tailor these things to ourselves. A six step is a six step and the foundations are always the same yet so many people look so different rocking out a 6step.
Are you sure you just don't feel dumb deep inside and feel the need to justify all that time and money you put in to this style? That would make infinitely more sense.
I have seen SD and I would never train that. What I have seen has been weak.
Billy Blanks Thai Bo workout actually is a great workout and could help you in a fight in a very very limited way, but that doesn't make it a worth learning.
The simple truth is that anyone who does exercises and hits a heavy bag will have a leg up on somebody who does nothing, but that doesn't make it an efficient way to learn how to fight.
Why do SD when you can do better for the same money and time put in? In fact I bet A real style would be cheaper. I learn authentic BakMei for 60 bucks a month. How much is SD a month anyways?
And for the rest of you...
Do you think a class action suit to recover fees would be do-able? It was fraudulent after all and nobody actually got what they were told they were paying for.
If you were able to be so easily duped(remember most of us here saw thru this sh1t right away) then maybe you deserve to be ripped off for not doing proper research and fully understanding what it was you were paying for. I don't have too much sympathy for people who are so easilly ripped off unless they are actually mentally retarded or really old or something like that. When an average guy gets ripped off I think more about how dumb they were than how corrupt the fraudster was.
Oh and if you are still going after you learned it was fraud then you are just dumb.
Shaolin chan is an interpretation of the teachings ...meditation is just a vehicle and method for understanding.
Hmmmm...I am not sure I agree with you there!
Thats the great thing about what we are discussing , we dont have to agree. you have your opinion and understanding and I have mine.
Do you practice other forms of meditation, buddhism, etc??
Yes!
do mind me asking/ telling me what types or forms?
I recognize and acknowledge the validity and worth of Buddhism.
I employ it within my own self, but I cannot say I am a religious Buddhist.
I employ the 8 fold path in practice as is. Especially right mindfulness, right intention, right action, right effort and right concentration. Using the abstract ideas to seek the correct structures and energies required for the task.
I practice daily meditation and martial arts and for the medicinal aspect have become adept at Tui-na and healing massage as well as being able to to make draughts, liniments etc for minor maladies and ailments. (I'm also a full certified first responder with SJA).
The interesting thing is that it is possible to continue these things right up until passing. That seems a worthwhile pursuit to me.
Syn I usually try to be polite but FU u are an ass, so you are so sharp you have never been scammed or told a Lie and was taken? are u divorced well if u are then u were Duped. So STFU if you cant be respectful. I tire of Aholes like U.
Also to all the others who talk about the Lieing, who among you have not lied in your lifetime. even a white lie as they are called. Or embellished a little etc. That too is a Lie. "Who among Us is without Flaw" Master Po KC
You are comparing the idea of stealing a candy bar vs stealing a car.
It is the degrees to which we entangle ourselves and others in our deceptions that matters.
No one is all these things you say in small ways and no small peccadilloes are seen as fraud. They are seen as personal folly. But when it involves a repeated lie told to thousands in order to continue to take money from them all the while these people are expecting to progress and be part of something that is greater and real.
And then... Well, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain right?
You are blaming the observer. Why should the observer respect what is tantamount to fraudulence? That's a stretch to ask for.
Don't expect respect or courtesy for someone that has been disrespectful and discourteous.
A lie is a lie is a lie nomatter how big or small, Stealing a candy bar or car is still stealing no matter the size. David I am not asking GMT to be forgiven I am asking for those on here to try to be understood and know that many of us and others have been played the fool. But none the less since many feel it is about fighting, I will put my skills up there with any of you guys. I am feeling alot better now after having suffered a bad back injury 2 years ago. also I have already found 2 very reputable people to train with so nuff said. KC:mad:
KC vs KFM over the last few years:
KFM: This is a duck.
KC: No it's a platypus.
KFM: See that duck? This also looks like that duck.
KC: It might have duck-like features, but it is certainly a platypus.
KFM: Our resident Ph.D zoologist has already discerned that is most certainly a duck.
KC: You wouldn't know a real platypus because you are too busy seeing ducks.
KC: OMG!! This is a duck! I had no idea!
KFM: Told you so.
KC: STOP RIDICULING ME!
MK your point is , ??????? not folowing the Duck thing . BTW a platypus is a conglomerant of animals it seems, so nothing is real . All of you guys are so sure that what u do is the real deal, well if your teacher did something and taught you something in a form different than what was originally done say a front kick instead of a side kick for example. So that is Lieing. So shold you be considered stupid if you find this to be true. Or just having wishful thinking and sincere dedication. Then u are the same . KC:p
All I can say is those of you without SIN of the moral sense, cast the 1st stone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KC