is there much striking in judo at all?
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is there much striking in judo at all?
I think there is some basic atemi waza, but, i've never seen any of it.
I would expect it to be very Shotokan Karate-ish since Jigoro Kano recieved some Karate instruction from Gichin Funakoshi.
Trust me, you'll have your hands full just learning how to step and move in Judo to even think about striking for a good long while, lol. It is WAY harder than it looks. I felt like it was something that would take me a LOT longer to get good at compared to striking.
Of course I came from a striking background...
well thats cool though. im interested in going in as a clean slate. less striking will be better under that context i think. i love being a new student, so much fun.
I envy you. :mad:
Sucker!!!!! ;)
Judo's a gateway drug. After a year or two - you'll be able to pick up Sambo variations just by watching them on youtube.
I cross train both Judo and BJJ. Truth be told - I kind'a prefer Judo but BJJers with rank will almost always beat Judo guys two or three times their rank on the ground if the Judo guy's foolish enough to engage them... but BJJ got's no standup skillz. Their takedowns are terrible, and for me - the takedowns are the fun part.
i have considered which i wanted to take up, and for the standing to the ground element i wanted to go for judo since it seems superior to bjj. my time has been invested in stand up so thats where i want to stay and i feel judo will cater to that better.
does judo spend much time on going from ground to return to your feet, or does it mostly focus on finishing on the ground once there?
Judo is not just Kodokan Judo, that is based more on throws and pins then submissions.
There is Kosen that is 90% submission work, but the truth is they don't compete that much in submission grappling.
Judo has time limits on the ground so the pin is "easier" than the sub for many.
All the BJJ has, judo has.
BUT BJJ is far more specialized on the ground and far more advanced ( typically) in the submission part since they devote far more time to it.
A 1 year BJJ player will demolish most 4 year judo guys on the ground.
When I did BJJ I had a BB in Judo already and the blue belts were far ahead on the ground, but I made that gap up very quickly.
I would throw pretty much everyone there, black belts included, but that was alright by them, LOL !
Yeah I made the mistake of going to the ground with 2 guys from a BJJ club during a Judo tournament. :rolleyes:
Never do that again if I can help it.
As a side note, there is something very satisfying about landing an ippon on an opponent.
I'm leaving this thread before I quit my job and return to Judo.:(
I'm with the mainstream Judo-ers that believe that modern Kosen is- well- a myth. It's true that the old school Kosen players in Japan were accomplished at newaza and were able to thus nullify their size handicap against the big Tokyo guys, but the Kodokan or should I say, Tokyo Judo Clubs took care of that with one of their famous rule changes "for the good of Judo". There is no Kosen style of Judo... it was just a regional preference for NeWaza... a loophole that allowed smaller guys to compete against bigger guys.
Don't forget for once that Judo is political... very very political with strategic rule changes that always seem to benefit the makers of the rules.
I just spent the last 3 months having to learn the Greco Roman no leg grabbing version of Kata Guruma because of a recent rule change for the betterment of Judo.
Some of us have spent literally years developing our personal favorite throws only to have them taken from us because some people with political pull couldn't stand losing. I was soooooo peaved that I nearly dropped Judo all together. :mad: Still mad when I think about it.
so what do you guys think about training judo just for self defense?
It is fantastic. Your techniques are pressure tested as you learn them. Doesn't get much better for learning throws, imo.
It's really the competition stuff that takes the most hits from all the politics. I remember there were a bunch of rule changes just before my first competition too, but I was so new that it wasn't a big deal to me.
There were a few people from the US Olympic team there. It was amazing how well they could throw.
cool, i mainly want to learn judo just for my own personal martial arts. i really like the advice ykw gives about mapping my throws to no gi. i am going to do that.
The 三角肌deltoid is the strongest muscle on human body. Try to use it for landing.
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This will sound crazy, but Judo made me good at kung fu. Judo is rough- especially if you're competitive and have a good group of guys to practice with. It will be frustrating for you at first because you'll be new, and you may feel weak when you compare yourself with guys about your age with the same amount of martial experience (just in Judo) and you go to play randori with them.
It'll be frustrating - but, after you give it some time, you'll get better. You'll notice how the stuff that you learned "blends" with the stuff you'll be learning, much like how SC blends strikes and throws - you'll just have to make the connection yourself. And then you'll start winning some... and then it evens out to where you're 50/50 in your club. Then you start beating people in other clubs... then one day you'll realize that you're strong in Judo. And you'll realize that you've been in literally hundreds of "fights" with skilled martial artists- then you start to see things differently. Your confidence is at a level that TCMA by itself might not have given you because of the lack of consistent hard randori... but you have it now. Then the fight club thing happens- where you're subconciously sizing people up everywhere you go- where you can walk into a club and spot the one or two people who may give you a problem if you had to fight them, and you'll definitely spot the phonies - the bullies that think they're strong just by virtue of being big. It's a whole new world- and you'll see it the way a fighting martial artists sees it.
I only studied Judo for a short time, but had heard that in class. Competition rules were changed since many Judoka were losing to wrestlers who knew single/double leg takedowns and didn't really "know judo" other than their wrestling background.
I have also heard that the Russians at one time had a very stylized version with a unique grip that gave them an advantage in competition and then the rules were changed so the grip couldn't be used.
Don't know how true either of those are, but that was the info passed onto me.
PS: The Judo club that I did go to spent their time 50/50. They met two times a week and Day 1 was all stand up and throwing and Day 2 of the week was spent on ground fighting. They also met on another day for free sparring. It was a great place, too bad gas was so high to keep going.
is it hard to avoid the politics? in your guys' experience is the training any different if you train for self defense rather than sport?
Yes you can avoid the politics and yes the training will be different- IMO though - it's more fun to train in the competitive classes than in the "traditional" classes (they work out harder). When you join Judo - you're joining an organization. So it's not like you have to stay in any one place. You're usually free to roam from club to club and it's encouraged (you will of course have a "home base" that you'll refer to as your club). Anyway - you'll find what you need and there's never any requirement that you participate in competitions.
sweet news. im excited. im moving this week so im not going to be starting for a couple weeks, once everything is settled and situated. from the photo gallery on line the group looks like a fun bunch of people so that is aplus.
I'm in love with judo. That is all.
me to.......:(
Judo is pretty **** awesome.
If not for sushi I'd hazard it as being the best cultural product to come out of Japan.
Seriously, I really wish I had started judo years ago.
Ya heh, I still value my CMA training, but I just wish I had gotten involved in a throwing art a long time ago. The dojo I joined has a great group of guys. Very open minded, humble, fun and friendly. High caliber of guys there, several black belts. Some pretty tough guys. Sessions are broken into two parts. First half is conditioning, second is partner drilling and sparring. Loving it. I get to train four days a week for only 50 bucks a month.
When is your first comp?
Just thought I would share an inspiring article here about my Judo instructor. If anyone ever moves to Portland, or is in Portland and interested in Judo, come check out the place!! Being a Judo noob is lots of fun, and I feel extremely fortunate to have started my experience here at Portland Judo. Sensei is a true class act.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...retiremen.html
http://www.portlandjudo.com
How's the Judo going Lucas?