Just out of curiosity....
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Originally Posted by
Lokhopkuen
I have been reading it.
As far as MY DEFINITION you are right it is not.
I am only chiming in because your thread "Is Shaolin-Do for real?" has dominated the top slot of a TRADITION CHINESE MARTIAL ART forum for weeks and it is related to HENAN SHAOLIN in no form other than it shares part of it's name.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnpaW5hXWDg
NOT TRADITIONAL CHINESE MARTIAL ART {You guys should find him and punish him..} BAD. Not TCMA. Not MARTIAL ART. No manifest energy, no connection, no substance, no historical connection in it's essence to TCMA. Wake up. Serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6VnLPJI5qg
NOT TRADITIONAL CHINESE MARTIAL ART
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m203c8l6B7w
NOT TRADITIONAL CHINESE MARTIAL ART {BUT PROBABLY THE BEST (easiest to watch) FORM I HAVE SEEN FROM YOUR STYLE..}
Just to be fair and I am not really any good but I do practice each day:
http://www.harmoniousfist.com/videos/kwandao.mov
It's an old vid of one of my casual personal cultivation sessions and a TCMA practice set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMuUwCd7sfo
This is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLr_Ks_Gc8
This is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ank1N98rkqc
This is ALL A BIT WUSHUY WAY DIFFERENT FROM SHAOLIN DO...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpwE_PZw5x0
THIS IS TRADITIONAL AND THE ESSENCE IS EASY TO SEE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8S_78v5O-o
THIS IS TRADITIONAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drz-CMespEM
THIS IS TRADITIONAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBXal1GAA4A
THIS IS SILLY BUT MORE ENTERTAINING THAN YOUR KWANDAO FORM
HA HA HA!:D
PEACE
PS No doubt that many of you are serious dedicated practitioners and formidable fighters I salute you as brothers in the martial art. However just because somewhere in your history someone snatched the SHAOLIN moniker and tacked on a Japanese/ Korean suffix does not make it Traditional Chinese Martial Art. Most traditional Chinese Masters have something described as less than affection for the Japanese.
Lets not fight or Fork it, lets fight over it as that is what internet
forumishnessnish is all about.
Come on, make me a believer!
But IF NOT!!!
Please stop 'cause shaolin-do at least from my perspective as a 30 plus year
{non elitist fun and friendly} TCMA Practitioner,
is not
repeat i[I]
s not TCMA [/I
D*A*M*N* IF I SAY IT BOLD ENOUGH< ENOUGH TIMES THE FORCE OF MY WILL MAKES IT SO!! HA HA AH!! (THAT IS A JOKE, HUMOR)
]Just because a lizard claims ancestry to a Brontosaurus dose not make it a dinosaur.
The END:cool::rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
.......what is your definition of traditional??
Please use words, not videos, to define this for us please.
It may not follow the mainstream traditions that are mostly associated with CMA but it does have it's own traditions.
I think one thing that will help here is if non SDers would clarify as to what is not traditional about it.
For example...... if you think that the forms are not performed in a traditional manner then I would say I agree.
They have lost the Chinese flair.
If you said that the unforms are not traditional I would say I agree to a certain degree.
The Japanese Gi if it was orange would look exactly like the garb that is worn by the monks.
This lends a certain amount of credability to Shaolin going to Japan and being the precursor to karate , kempo , ju jitsu, etc.
If you said that the forms are not TCMA I would say that I disagree.
If you were in the art you would see that the forms are absolutely Chinese in origin and seeing as many of the forms in SD are found in all the other forms of CMA out there I would say that this is very hard point to ignore.
Do you think that the word classical would fit better in defining the distinction between SD and other CMA??
Keep in mind that even the classical, traditional ways of doing CMA and all it's outward appearences have changed over the years and to say that one way is right or the real way to represent the CMA is just lame.
Everything in life goes through changes, adapts, or withers away and dies. For TCMA ( more specifically Shaolin)to florish it needs to adapt and be modified to be able to carry on into the next generations.
Sders are pioneers in this area. Ie chang Ming and GMT are geniuses for seeing this.
For all these wantabe monks and shaoliners who think that wearing a orange monks uniform, becoming buddhist ,going through all these rituals and ceremonies. or whatever else is Shaolin....... you got another thing coiming.
And by the way..... those videos are of beginners..... and I must admit they were awful.I agree with your accessment of the short comings of those performances.
OK round and round she goes
It seems we all have an idea of what TCMA is and should look like. I was viewing a VID on one of the other posts of a thread I think it is the one prior to this one, anyway many of the moves of the TC Forms were and are in SD as I have seen them. So I will say again SD is TCMA and I base this on the "moves" I have seen on the other vids posted as "REAL" CMA.
In Japanese Karate there are 6 sources of power, expansion , contraction , rising, falling, vibration and rotation.
All JMA do not utilize or incorporate all of the listed sources of power but are still considered JMA. So I will say that while there are some methods of deriving power from the techniques of SD they may not look like what you have seen but it is still CMA. All flowers do not smell the same but they are all still flowers. KC