Great post Gene...
Use whatever will help..
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Great post Gene...
Use whatever will help..
I know exactly what you mean! Like alot of peeps on these boards, I have also had the pleasure of learning personally from an awesome songshan monk. There's nothing like being in that presence....and while it's not replacable, if I saw anything instructional out in book or dvd/video etc, that I had any even passing interest in at the time, I would definately pick it up and have a read or a run through. I probably wouldn't deem myself proficient as such until I had a personal teacher check form and application, but no doubt I would glean enough to pick up a few variations and to know whether or not I DID want that more intense training.Quote:
Originally posted by GeneChing
Recording the martail arts can grasp the external - the skin - but never the flesh, never bone, never marrow. Chen Zhenglei's stuff is a good example. His VCDs don't even begin to capture what it's like to stand next to him when he emits fajing. Does that make them worthless? Not at all. A shadow is better complete darkness.
cheers :p
i have learned number four before, but it is from a differnet cha kuen lineage, very very very challenigng,
more challenging than the BSL routines. all of them.
...sounds like a challenge ;)
Cha,
Do you know which branch it is?
Out of the three branches, Yang and Chang are very similar. Li is the odd ball of the three and, imho, it looks more difficult of the three branches.
Don't know which branch but..
1. left cat stance w/ both hands in the middle like an X
2. keep the stance, the hands both move outward to crane beak wing movements. (like i'm flying)
3. take 2 steps forward and make 2 circles with my hands to end up in ....a position where i'm looking at both of my palms, elbows tucked in
what branch is that?
Cha,
Sounds like Ch'a #5 but I'll get back to you. I have to pull out my text on Ch'a to compare the description you have.
my teacher that taught me said he mixed it from the 2 branches.
So i guess the most popular branch here is the ___, so it would be a mixture of the 2 other branches. =]
And one is from his teacher and one is from wong jack man, your teacher, so he mixed both. a little bit.
I'm pretty sure it's #4 though becuase I have a green thin book on it, it has MOST of the moves in it but not all cause it was combined form.
Ch'a
Sounds like it is a combination of #4 and #5.
Actually, the green book says it's #5 hehe. SO it's a #5 combiatin from wong jack man lineage and this other more rare lineage. but both #5
Ch'a,
Okay that's what was my original thought. (A combination of Yang and Li with Li being the more rare of the three branches.)
From your description of what you wrote for the beginning of your set, it reads like the opening of Ch'a #5 of the Li Branch. The move from Yang branch IMHO feel better than the movements from the Li Branch. But the opening of #5 of the Li Branch is much better than Yang's #5.
ttt, as there is a current thread, that talks about this, and some may want to take a looky gander at was posted in the past.
HMmm, that's funny cause the bsl that I was taught a few forms from came from my former sifu vis a vis Ma Ching Fung when he taught in calgary, canada in his autumn years and it looks like everyone elses moi fah. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by wushu chik
but thanks for throwing that in there wen, can always count on a disparaging remark from ya and right back at ya by the way, :p lol.
Interestingly enough though, I have seen a site from italy that shows #6 and #7 demos. They are performed a little higher in stance than what I learned but in essence are the same. As all BSL seems to be except for school bows and what not. Even Luebs buddies abridged demo is the same as what I learned albeit abridged because he had a brain F4rt :D while doing the set.
Now what line was it that started callin Tun Ta, Moi fah and Bot bo Shaolin #1,2 and 3 respectively. I'm seeing more and more of this nowadays. The site from italy is another example of the renumbering.
G~ KWL's book on the plum flower set also makes the 4 petal statement. Maybe it's a coincidence that you and mancuso both say that?
BTW and FWIW, the entire text in chinese for Cha Chuan with complete set diagrams and drawn out is available through my friend who can be contacted through my site if anyone is interested.
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Originally Posted by GeneChing
Gene: you are both correct on both counts. there are four and five petal plum forms. elsewhere i once heard it described (in the presence of one of my sifu) as "four and five square dancing" with most of the practicioners being familiar with the four square method. both methods had a stem representation, so they end up as five and six petal forms, each petal around 20 manuevers. the Night Sect combined roads and flower pattern footwork through 11, 17, and 22 Ba forms.