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M sr -in his 60s(?) knocked the young guy down and was walking away with his back turned
when he got hit.
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Personally I dont think Gary Lam got owned or beaten.
In fact i think the other guy got humbled.
Although i disagree with how Gary Lam got angry and used aggression when he is clearly doing a sensitivity drill and not fighting.
Alls the video proves is Good Teachers dont always make good fighters.
Look at all the great fighters like
Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Trindad, Floyd Mayweather, Mohammed Ali, and others...Now look at their trainers...How many of them where great fighters?
Look at Basketball and football coaches...how many of them where great football and basketball players...
Michael Jordan is a great basketball player but not a great coach.
Good Fighters usually dont make good teachers.
Good Teachers usually don't make good fighters.
Good Teachers produce good fighters.
All we see is that Gary Lam is not really as skilled as some of the other Sifus out there. Look at ip chun and ip ching when they chi sau with non-intitated and non-trained guys. They control the guy with out so much aggression.
Gary Lam issue is that the guy was able to breach his defenses a few times. Oh yea the guy manage to hit gary more than once...It just shows Gary may not be skilled enough yet to prevent an novice from getting a few hits on him...
But it doesn't mean he is a bad teacher because his skill level may not be as high as others. Look at Emin Botezp...Watch him spar and do chi sau. He dominates. Unlike Gary Lam those who do chi sau with him dont get luck shots off...
Everyone has a different skill level.
Also Gary Lam is older and out of shape too. That plays a major role in your WC.
Just because you have a high skill level doesn't mean you can always win against someone who is more conditioned and experience than you are.
so, what is the best response for you if you are in Gary's position?
If you allow your challenger to walk away freely, people will challenge you for the rest of your life. If you hurt your challenger badly, nobody will want to challenge you for the rest of your life. The decision will be yours.
I don't know about the modern law but in the old time, when you challenged someone, you took your own life responsibility. In the old time if you dare to put SC jacket on, if your opponent killed you in the match, your family could not sue your opponent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpHxBFXWhvY
The SC jacket was called "hero skin". If you have it on you, you can't turn down any challenge. The only way for you to turn down a challenge is the moment that your opponent puts on his SC jacket, the moment that you take yours off. The challenge rule was written crystal clear in the past. Today I truly don't know where to draw that line.
The attitude of "If you dare to touch me, I'll sue you", just make TCMA no fun any more. :(
If anything the challenger was being nice. He clearly let Gary hit him a couple of times towards the end, probably in order to calm him down. Gary was angered by the light touch at the start of chi sau and lost control.
Gary Lam simply didn't have any skill advantage (in the context of wing chun skill) against this person. He failed to achieve a wing chun solution to the problem. All that happened was an overweight angry man used his weight to push into another person while weakly punching.
It is laughable that anyone can look at this and think it isn't bad for Lam and wing chun in general.
Wtf are you all arguing about? I seen two guys touch each other up?
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It is laughable that anyone can look at this and think it isn't bad for Lam and wing chun in general.[/QUOTE]
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How is that single incident at a Gary Lam seminar- bad for wing chun in general??
Amazing conclusion!!!
What a thread arising from a few seconds at a seminar!!
Exactly. Apparently it is supposed to bear some relation to fighting and some famous guys are supposed to be much better at touching up other guys than average (even though when touched unexpectedly all they can manage is what looks like a drunken grope in return).Quote:
Wtf are you all arguing about? I seen two guys touch each other up?
The reason it is bad for wing chun is that Gary Lam is a wing chun celebrity, almost universally lauded and celebrated by other wing chun practitioners as one of the best.
And yet here he appears to be really poor at doing the tiny, possibly fighting related thing that wing chun specialises in, compared to a rank beginner. This is bad for wing chun in the book of any objective person.
Oooh, right, he's a legend so therefore he's invincinble, why didn't you say so? :rolleyes:
It doesn't. The whole thing was absolutely trivial. The dude slipped in a light shot or two on Lam and then got dominated. Lam did appear annoyed for a bit, after all the guy's attitude was rude.... but it sure wasn't a "challenge". There was barely any contact. I can't believe how a few armchair warriors are trying to make a big deal out of this! Bogus.
Subitai , it was ' nt only WC Sifus who was challenged , I don ' nt know if you know a Choy Li Fut sifu name Mak Kin Fai , I don ' t remember how long ago it was but , his club performed kung fu and lion dancing for the seattle chinese new year . What happened was that , this other kung fu club was performing either an hour before Mak Fai ' s group came out or after this other kung fu club came out . But any way , it seemed that mak fai ' s group their performance was alot better than the other kung fu club , so what happened the other kung fu club went to Sifu Mak Fai ' s choy li fut school to challenge them .
Unfortunately Sifu Mak ' s assistant instructors and for those people who been in the club for a long period of time , in other words people who had alot more experiences in kung fu than the non experiemce ones . Was able to survive the confrontation with the other kung fu schools .
Sifu mak fai got only a few scrapes and bruises , but was able to give the sifu of the other kung fu club a good beating .
You know what happened to Gary Lam at that seminar with that guy , it happened to other WC sifus too . Sure , Lam got suckered punch but he gave that guy a message with his hands , he was telling him that if he ' s going to play sneaky and dirty like the way he suckered punched lam , then lam is going to pay him back . There ' re people out there who only like to make ass out of the sifu who is putting on the seminar . But the consequences can be devastating .