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Single case study isn't even close to empirical evidence. You either need peer reviewed empirical research or multiple case study examples as in mine of muay Thai and mma fighters not needing to do iron body or palm and still being better conditioned than the iron folks.
Why are you saying MMA guys are "better" conditioned? How do you know? Have you seen "peer reviewed empirical research"? Where is your "peer reviewed empirical research" that MMA conditioning "works"?
Body conditioning is body conditioning. If you don't think that spending some time doing kung fu style body conditioning is a good use of your time, then don't do it and get your body conditioning some other way. It's really all the same in the end.
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But that's the point. There are training methods which allow you to practice combative skills while getting the same or better conditioning and based on the evidence I'd bet on the latter.
Cuz everyone is exactly the same and some people might not want/need supplementary conditioning :rolleyes:
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As for them not being fighting styles I don't care. If they had any value over the methods being used they'd be picked up by every pro fighter in a heartbeat.
They're not fighting styles.
You're applying the wrong logic here.
Anyway, most MMA guys probably don't do kung fu style IB. They probably don't need to because, like you said, they get conditioning from their training already.
But if some dude practicing kung fu at home wants to do IB training, who cares? If he trains it correctly it will help him take strikes better. He probably doesn't have an MMA partner to train with and get his conditioning that way.
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And yet there are still better things for them to spend their time on like physical conditioning through weights, cardio, plyometrics, etc.
Those things do not allow you to block kicks with your shins without pain. They have different goals. But yeah, those things are important for a fighter, too.
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Look up pancrase. Only open handed strikes to the head and Bas Rutten never did any special conditioning like iron palm. Just bag work, pad work, and sparring.
Ok. I said "most MMA events". Listing one that uses open hand strikes doesn't disprove anything.
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Then I rate that up with calligraphy as far as being a martial skill. I'm talking about martial arts and training to fight. Anything else is a waste of my time.
Then don't do it. It's not like anyone is forcing you to.
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And I can do it just from sparring three times a week. I'm getting fight training and conditioning so efficiency wise I'm getting a better deal.
Then train that way. Who cares dude?
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Again I'd like some empirical research, not single case studies of "I did it and it worked!" because that's absolutely worthless.
What part are you disagreeing with? That bones get denser through impact? Or that repetitive striking increases one's tolerance to pain?
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But again if they did what they claim to do well enough to be bothered with every pro fighter would jump on it. Conditioning is a part of fighting.
Holy cow you are dense. IB/IP conditioning is supplemental. It's not a fighting style. If you don't think you are lacking in the ability to strike with an open hand or take shots without damage, then you don't need to do them. No one said IB/IP makes you a super unbeatable mega ninja fighter. They just cause your body to adapt in a certain way, like anything else.
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And again I see no evidence that they can do what they claim to or do it significantly better than training methods currently in use by most fighters.
No one is claiming that's the case.
It's never been anything more than supplementary conditioning.