The Xingyi Quan of the Chinese Army, by Dennis Rovere; mistake 1
On page 17, Figure 2-4B, it shows two pictures at the bottom; with Dennis Rovere, who is leaning his torso forward, and extending his head. I do not do this, nor do I recommend it, since it causes one to be less rooted, and more committed to a forward motion. One who is skilled will see this forward leaning and lead the person with their own energy. This is not in the photos of the old time practitioners.
Leaning forward is a mistake for any reason unless you are a Western Boxer. To lean torso forward to cause a blow to glance is slower than the striking arm or foot. Leaning forces a commitment to forward movement, which can be lead to throw one off balance. It is a basic of all Chinese Internal Martial Arts.
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On the page that I am leaning forward, I am the one throwing the punch and the other fellow has turned his body - which has caused me to lurch forward as the punch is redirected. This was done at full speed with the digital camera on burst - then we pick the best photos to illustrate the point - which is the 45 degree angle of the chest that allows the blow to glance by. Sorry the work doesn't meet your low standards and 'fluffy qi dancing'. Instead of knocking other people and displaying your ignorance why don't you actually learn xingyi
I have looked at your site and what you write. I may be a 'prima donna' but your are simply full of ****! Get an ****ing education moron.
As for xue sheng, he and I are not acquainted; but he certainly has more manners than you.
The Xingyi Quan of the Chinese Army, by Dennis Rovere; mistake 2.
I see major discrepancies in Rovere’s posed photographs; between the illustrations that are in the background of his poses, in classic Hsing-I fundamentals, and universal martial concepts.
On page eighteen, Rovere writes:
“If your weight is back-weighted, basic bio-mechanics will show that you will be prevented from delivering all of your force into the target.
Double weightedness is good for pushing and pulling, such as pushing a car, lifting weights, or a tug-of-war. Fighting is much more dynamic and requires the transfer of the power base-stance; to accommodate the best focused wave. Would anyone have a fixed double weighted stance when they surfed, or snow boarded?
Having your stance back-weighted also leads to another problem, namely, a tendency to straighten the front leg. Any low kick, such as a Xingyi horse kick targeting the straightened knee, would easily cause it to hyperflex, severely damaging it.”
When one is seasoned by sparring and/or combat; they always keep the front leg slightly bent; one who spends there time on forms/Katas does not. When you advance, your training prevents this.
A major foundation of Traditional Internal Chinese Martial Arts is the stance concept of having either leg being empty or full. This is not weight, although sometimes they are the same. This is fullness of Qi, stance rooting and a centering of the driving energy.
This is the generator of the wave flow force, using the whole body weight being directed into the strike. Kinematics deal s with this somewhat, not biomechanics.
“Sung Shi-Jung
…Therefore, in Hsing-I never equally share the weight on your two feet.”
Hsing-I, Chinese Mind-Body Boxing, by Robert W. Smith, page 98.
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Sorry the work doesn't meet your low standards and 'fluffy qi dancing'. Instead of knocking other people and displaying your ignorance why don't you actually learn xingyi
I have looked at your site and what you write. I may be a 'prima donna' but your are simply full of ****! Get an ****ing education moron.
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The Xingyi Quan of the Chinese Army, by Dennis Rovere; mistake 3
In looking at Rovere’s photos; and comparing them with the background older photos: the saber has the most obvious differences and discrepancies with the older photos and illustrations.
All saber photos show Rovere with a higher, non rooted stance; without sinking! It is like looking at a boat or truck that is empty compared to one that is full loaded.
When Rover holds the Hsing-I Saber,
1) overhead; he extends his arms out more in front;
a) it relies more on the arms than the stance and body centering and
b) requires more forward momentum or arm strength for power;
2) when at rest and chambered: the saber is held further from a one’s lower Dan Tien at the rest/prone position; as illustrated in background picture.
Holding the saber higher may have some practicality for running or marching drills, but still lacks the power. Not having the saber swing all the way down and back to a position closer to the Lower Dan Tien; constricts the power of the swing, and looses the benefits of rooting and Qi focusing through one’s center.
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rovere
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Sorry the work doesn't meet your low standards and 'fluffy qi dancing'. Instead of knocking other people and displaying your ignorance why don't you actually learn xingyi
I have looked at your site and what you write. I may be a 'prima donna' but your are simply full of ****! Get an ****ing education moron.
As for xue sheng, he and I are not acquainted; but he certainly has more manners than you.
The Xingyi Quan of the Chinese Army, by Dennis Rovere; mistake 4.
On page 19, Figure 2-5A; Rovere has his front leg straight and bent in ward; this is not a San Ti stance. This is very susceptible to a break with a quick snap kick.
There are two universal defense against kicks to the knee:
1) angling the knee forward, so the kick gets hit by the front striking area of the knee, rather than the more flexible joint;
2) when in a Cat Stance, T-Stance or San-Ti; the lesser weight of the front foot is shifted backward toward rear leg, and
a) the front leg evades the kick by repositioning or
b) the front leg’s knee is repositioned to hit attacker with knee or shin strike.
When Rovere talks about attacks to the front leg, he uses:
1) the even weightedness of the stance to supposedly make front leg repositioning easier, and
2) and the front leg’s toes being bent slightly inward, to make breaking of the knee more difficult.
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I find it interesting that you can only bolster your own 'expertise by 'nit picking' the works of others. Yes, I see you have reviewed your own book and deemed it a quality production but realistically I don't think you have anything to offer in the way of insight or historical research or ...
I think I have said enough on the matter because you really are thick, so any more comments on my part are pointless. BTW do you even do xingyi - since the lineages you have aren't too clear? At least the ROC and Chinese military (ROC & PRC) recognize my background - and that is documented; so maybe I am a prima donna - with 40 years of training and teaching experience.
The Xingyi Quan of the Chinese Army, mistake 1 documented.
On page 17, Figure 2-4B, it shows two pictures at the bottom; with Dennis Rovere, who is leaning his torso forward, and extending his head. I do not do this, nor do I recommend it, since it causes one to be less rooted, and more committed to a forward motion. One who is skilled will see this forward leaning and lead the person with their own energy. This is not in the photos of the old time practitioners.
Rovere:
“To respond: If you read the text and the captions: I am not illustrating a xingyi punch but rather showing how the body has to absorb or can redirect the force using the half turn position. the 45 degree angle of the torso lets the strike aimed at the centre line simply slide past.”
“On the page that I am leaning forward, I am the one throwing the punch and the other fellow has turned his body - which has caused me to lurch forward as the punch is redirected. This was done at full speed with the digital camera on burst - then we pick the best photos to illustrate the point - which is the 45 degree angle of the chest that allows the blow to glance by.”
Hsing-I True Master
“When you are upright and your body is harmonious, the ch’i circulates everywhere. You should never incline forward or backward, or left or right: you must always keep your balance and be centered.”
T’ien Ching-Chieh, Hsing-i Chinese Mind-Boxing, by Robert Smith, page 105.
Fixation, can't move forward
When stepping forward, the front foot points forward, or outward.
Turning the front foot inward, will require un-weighting and turning foot before stepping; a mistake.
A pigeon-toed martial artist?
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5 degree toe in with knee forward makes the knee stable and not susceptible to breaking.
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