yeah, sorry. lol 40 years!
I was 7 when he died.
Most of you weren't even born.
That's what makes it so weird!
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want to borrow my space time continuum 4th dimension touch of qi death?
I despise actors almost as much as I despise Wing Chun so I have no overabundance of love for the preening manorexic.
But the man has been dead for nearly half a century. . .
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I think BSL resentment is better served calling out Songshan as an illegitimate PRC invention.
David ,
You ' re right BL has been dead for more 30 years now , and he 'll always be a center of controversial . Maybe you did ' nt learn anything from him but , I sure did if you ever took the time to read nooks he ' s written or books written about him then you ' ll probably find out what kind of a man he is . His
WC knowledge was very limited because at the time he could ' ve stayed in HK to continue his training in WC .
His parents had sent him to the US , to begin a new life in the US and to go to schoo there .
And sure he did ' nt know traditional kung fu forms maybe only little bit , but he what took other martial artist many years of dedication to their respectful art , it took BL only a short period of time to learn and to progress on his own . He did ' nt like the old ways because he ' ll not improve that way . So he went non traditional which ofcoarse worked for him .
Imagine if he did learn the entire WC system then his art would evolved into something new . But because his life went the way he lived it , he had a hard time using traditional kung fu methods or any kind of traditional martial arts methods to make it work for him when he was fighting with someone .
So he came up with the concept of using whatever works for him and to reject what was useless ro him .
If you did ' nt learn anything from him then go you ' re own way , ofcoarse everybody is entitled to their own opinions right ? So go on your own way , when I quoted you I was doing the samething as you sharing with you my opinions .
Just like Eddie Bravo he realized that some of the ju jiu tsu techniques , he learned from the gracies did ' nt work for him so he had to keep on experimenting with all the ju jiu tsu techniques and finally found techniques that work for him .
So he made his own ju jiu tsu methad call Rubberband guard .
Samething what BL did and this is what the Late James Lee too .
He was an advocate of what was really practical for him instead of being impractical . Well you learn martial arts to defend yourself right ? For me if I found a technique that was ' nt working for me then , I ' ll throw it away , and keep on
experimenting with techniques that will work for me .
It ' s just a matter of being open minded of what techniques really works for you or not .
It seems that you ' re suited for traditional ways so go that way .
Take Care ,
Lance
lol i hate getting into arguements over grappling but bravo didnt invent his own BJJ method he refined and added to it but he did not create a new method, the guard is one position in grappling and the rubber guard had been around in various forms for a while, he refined it and created some moves and gave them cool names but that was it
Thats what happens with real arts they evolve and grow which is what lee did
And the guys dead let it go, he did some good things, some bad things he was human and i dout many here would be training if he hadnt done what he did
Frost ,
How nice to bump into you again on any kind of thread , I read his books that ' s why , and I also have his intructional DVDs . So frost , what kind of martial arts have you studied ? Just curious , that ' s all ? Or are you just playing around with me ? Well , it ' s good that he did what he did , because you know why . What took other martial artist regardless of systems or styles many years of practice and dedication in their respectful art it took BL a short period of time to progress in it .
And frost , if you don ' t like getting into arguments over grappling then why get involved with it ? So what ? You ' re going to be telling me that I really don ' t know what I ' m really talking about ? When it comes to martial arts ? You probably going to tell me that you know better than me right ? Well , who cares .
If you say let it go when people are talking about , then why are you interfering with my thread ? You have your own opinons right ? I was just sharing my opinions .
Lance
Lance, no offense man, but you come across as a fanbois.
Books don't hit back in other words. :)
4 years korean arts, 5 years kick boxing when i was younger, 10 years traditional southern/hakka art under a master in the UK that is head of his family art, i became a senior blacksash under him and as well as his family art also learned tai chi for about 5 years of him and his chosen sucessor, also learned some hungar from them, studied bak mei, southern dragon and CLF with another instructor for a little while before joing an MMA and submisiion grappling club, the club has had about 7 guys fight in the UFC all the way up to title shot level, thats my history in the MAs,
So my grappling knowdlege might be a little bit better than yours who knows but it doesnt matter, and i dont really like bravo so i wanted to put the record straight on him not you :o)
Frost .
Who did you learn choy li fut from ? And who did you learn you learn bak mei and southern dragon , or was it 2 different arts ? Well I have to admit your martial arts credits are very impressive . but how come you ' re not humble ? In all iof your threads you sound like you want to tell people off and to criticize him .
Do you have your own school ? The reason why I ask is because you seem to have a pretty good martial arts backgorund . And you put down cheung so I want to see really see what you can do , in my other threads you put me down , so I want to see what you can do seriously . I know plenty martial artist who are junk , but I leave them alone , because I now I can do better than them . But why prove it .
And who did you learn grappling from ? You good background , but you don ' t list your teachers name , why ?
Lance
who did you learn CLF from, who did you learn grappling from,,who did you learn hung gar from? :)
My credentials are not impressive and what does any of the above have to do with being humble? again when you say things like this it makes me wonder if you get most of your ideas about MA from magazines, no offence but thats how it reads
I dont list my TCMA coaches because im no longer in that world and see no reason to bring them into my discussions, i have listed my MMA coaches and gyms on several occasions because their are clips of me out there sparring and competing for that gym....to save you searching through all the threads its leicester shootfighters see i can be nice :)
I competed on their grappling team for a few years now i train their and other places for fun, the MMA fighters i have rolled with on a regular basis over the eyars include andre winner, dan hardy, paul daley, jimmy wallhead etc
so what about you whats your back ground?
Frost ,
You seem to be nice , but still you sound a little insecure in you thread , and why
can ' t you list your TCMA coaches ? I ask for info on your TCMA coaches not your MMA training . Why is because you are ashame of your TCMA coaches ?
And I looked up Leicaster shootfighter , there ' re names of the guys you mentioned in your thread , which person are you ? Where is the video clip of you ?
Right you competed and trained with their team , but that ' s all it is . Anybody can train and compete with the people you mention on your thread .
But look frost , you said that you can kick Cheung ' s butt right ? But you know what I think , he can kick your butt . And the UFC which guy are you ? I watch UFC , but still the guys that I like all seem to lose , and the new guys come in .
And the MA magazines you mentioned , they only tell you about the fighters who compete , that ' s it , my ideas comes from watching UFC fights on tv not magazines . Atleast my threads tell people where I got my sources from , if I
don ' t tell people in my thread , you would ' nt have an idea where to look .
You can get your sources from magazines ofcoarse whatever information they can provide , internet if you ' re lucky , take up a workshop provided you go to it .
That ' s something you might ' ve done already . Continue to go the training sessions . This is how I get my sources on martial arts , and ofcoarse , you got to check out the teachers right . Ofcoarse all these sources that I ' ve mentioned can teach you so much .
So you go to practice your moves and learn and research from your own experiences . Grappling is like playing chess , I don ' t compete , I so I would ' nt care . I just research these arts just incase I end up on the ground .
if I had to fight I would fight standing , and respond to whatever my opponent wants to do against me , from there use your own imagination people , and you frost , you should already know this kind of stuff right ? I train with friends too , that ' s why .
And for eddie bravo look up warriorvideos.net look for his book , and they ' ll tell you the twister method , you exxagerate the story around , in your thread when you replied to me . I ' m just telling you to read the description of the twister book , don ' t need to buy it . Because you probaly got your own answer for this situation anyway .
In my own opinion , it does ' nt matter what kind of combative or grappling arts you do personally for yourself . You just need to practice hard to make yourself good .
5 years with chinese physical culture Assn. Learning Chop suey kung fu sets .
2 years with Sifu Hodges learning fut gar ( Buddhist fist )
3 years with Sifu Lee learning Sil Lum Fut Ga Kuen after that 3 years of training I discontinued , I had work schedule conflict , so I took my training home , and
continued the training . Other than that , I still research different martial arts system like boxing , muay thai , and different kung fu systems and grappling .
I don ' t compete , I just learn and practice for self defense , that ' s all . Another thing I do is invest in instructional DVDs , just to see how certain martial arts teachers are like . The teachers that I considered not good , I put it on the side and move on from there . Now you know my credentials . It may not seem much ,
but I can always evolve . My kung fu teacher Mr. Lee once told me that no matter how good you are , always get somebody better than you too . I also had my own share of sparring with people of different sizes .
lol insecure where exactly, I don’t list my kung fu teachers because I don’t feel the need to, people can either judge me on my posts or what not, and because I don’t train TCMA formally anymore, I listed Leicester shootfighters because that’s where I train now and where I have trained for close to a decade
I posted the guys names on the thread to show the kind of guys I have sparred with and rolled with, if I have access to those guys why would I need to go and roll with cheung…when you have rolled with those guys, competed against the likes of them in grappling comps you can sort of judge peoples skills in grappling (or lack of) from their videos they post
Where did I say I could kick cheungs butt please post the quote, I said I was not impressed by anything I had seen from him and not impressed by his 1 fight video or his grappling clips and I stand by that
Do you have trouble reading English…I said I competed on their grappling team, where did I say I was in the UFC, again please show the quote?
The threads show your sources alright, magazines, video clips and interviews you have read mainly, they are not really sources you have done no real research you just read magazines and think it’s the truth
And why are you answering questions I have not asked you, again do you really read what I post I never mentioned magazines, ufc records etc? And again You mention the twister method of bravo, something we have NEVER discussed, we have discussed the rubber guard, but lets take the twister, or the gator roll as its known in freestyle I believe, again not made up by him but something he has worked on and changed the name of……