Kind of shoots holes in the semantics ? spelling . of it all doesnt it ?? I mean you can call it any thing but it is still Chinese TMA. KC
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Kind of shoots holes in the semantics ? spelling . of it all doesnt it ?? I mean you can call it any thing but it is still Chinese TMA. KC
I still don't understand why anyone would want to call it Shaolin-Do. He had a perfectly fine name with Chung Yen Shaolin, which was the name of the original school in Indonesia. That, more than anything, was an indicator of its origin and lineage.
I suppose since GM Sin was perhaps adding material and teaching in a new environment, he picked something that represented what he wanted to teach, how he would teach it, how he would preserve it, or maybe he just picked something marketable. Or maybe he thought it would be dishonorable or impolite to name his school Chung Yen Shaolin when the original school was still up and running back home. Anyone know, or have better guesses?
Maybe it was a slogan or something for the original school? Or what it represented?
"The Shaolin Way".....Chinese immigrants in culturally hostile Indonesia......perhaps it represented an idea for GM Sin?
So if other styles are mixed in Shoalin Do (styles from Indonesia & Malyasia) then Shaolin Do is not pure Shaolin Kung Fu as it was taught at the Shaolin Temple, correct? I assume this is correct due to the sai and nunchucks being taught in Shaolin Do and other foriegn techniques/weapons that are not common in Kung Fu. With that being said is it kung fu or another hybrid style that has arrisen by combining a few different styles together and calling it something different? Hence the word "Do" at the end of Shaolin.
The Cha (sai) isn't common, but it has Shaolin history. As for the Shuang Jie Gun, or Da Pang Long Gun, some say it came to Okinawa from China. China does have the two-section staff/flail and the three-section staff. I find it hard to believe that someone who invented the three section staff wouldn't have pondered one day......"hey, I bet this would work with two sections, too!":p
After all, you have to go through two in order to get to three. Unless, of course, you're Niels Bohr or a complete friggin' retard.
Pictures of Shaolin weapons racks, with pairs of sais on them. It's not bonafide, but nothing is short of a time traveling Delorian with access to a place where we don't need roads to speak with actual monks of the past. Plus, numerous styles have sai forms. Again, not bonafide. But seriously......is it that hard to believe that Chinese kung-fu, with its untold quantities of weapons, some abstract and exotic, included something as basic as a sword-breaker or a sai?
I have a book at home with one (non-SD). Don't know which one. Then there's a photo a fellow student took when he was visiting the temple (I doubt he smuggled them conspiracy-theory-style).
Sai, aka iron ruler, were a weapon used in Southern China. I haven't seen any real evidence for the nunchucku, but with all the exotic weapons under the kung fu umbrella, then its logical that a weapon as simple as the nunchuku would have been used in china as well.
Many southern practitioners have noted this. Here is one example:
I want to see the pic of it hanging on a weapon rack.
Looking for it. Meanwhile, here's another citation by our own Salvatore Canzonieri referencing the use of "sai" in Southern China.
http://www.bgtent.com/naturalcma/CMAarticle28.htm
http://www.mts.net/~sillum/South%20S...%20Temple1.htm
Here is an article of the excavation with the remains of what clearly is a "sai" (see picture at bottom).
Sai were origianlly japanese farming implements. A rice planter if i am not mistaken. they were useful for peasants to defend themselves against swords and whatnot. now the origin of this rice planter turned weapon may have its origins in china but the japanese used it extensively.
Peace,TWS
P.S. i thought it was STUPID for the chinese to build a temple right on the excavation site. did they excavate all that could be? or did they just dig down to a level and then stop after they got some rusty farm tools and weapons? At any rate i still think it was stupid to do that. Build the temple in another location adjacent or something but not on top of an excavation site.
http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd2/co...ternstaff1.htm
See Video #516
"Guo Hui-Xia performs Shuang-Jie Lian-Jia Gun.
This version of the double segmented staff (nunchaku) is true northern style with huge movements and arms-wise actions. The sticks have flags and long chains and the overall set qualifies as more showy than the other double nunchaku in the Western Staff series. The woman performing is quite expert at the actions but overall the movements are accurate but more performance oriented. Flashing flags and whirling sticks."
Also, check out this dialouge: http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/lof...php/t4666.html