oh, go ahead, attack ME for pointing out facts and truths :mad:
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oh, go ahead, attack ME for pointing out facts and truths :mad:
re-read your history. Binladen was a late comer to the Afghan conflict. He is almost a con-man, he got "street cred" for fighting he never did. Similarly the Taliban came from the political disintegration that happened after we stopped funding the "muj"
the fighters that Reagan funded are now the "northern alliance" whose leader Binladen had killed before 9-11 and who helped us when we invaded Afghanistan
Politics is never simple
There is also a serious issue in 1bad's methodology of implying causality in correlated statistics. For instance:
Murder rates are correlated to poverty.
"Liberal" governments are correlated to poverty.
Murder rates are correlated to "liberal" governments.
1bad65 then makes the fatal error of asserting that the arrow of causality points from "liberal" governments (I read governments controlled by the democrats but he doesn't define the term well so I may be wrong) to poverty and murder rates.
This is where his statistics breaks down.
Because there is no evidence of causality.
And the FIRST rule of research metods is to avoid arbitrarily assigning causality.
Because down that line of reasoning is the assumption that storks cause babies.
I just read this. Pretty interesting. Dont go making accusations at me however folks, dont shoot the messenger. This was passed to me by a friend, and since this is the Nancy Political thread, ill share it.
I did however bolden a portion that many people are not aware of.
take it as you will and if you feel the need to talk sh!t, tell it to the guy who wrote it.
This is Your Nation on White Privilege
By Tim Wise
9/13/08
For those who still can't grasp the concept of white privilege,or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.
White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because "every family has challenges," even as black and Latino families with similar "challenges" are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.
White privilege is when you can call yourself a "****in' redneck," like Bristol Palin's boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll "kick their ****in' ass," and talk about how you like to "shoot ****" for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.
White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed
out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.
White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a
state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don't all **** on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you're "untested."
White privilege is being able to say that you support the words "under God" in the pledge of allegiance because "if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me," and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the "under God" part wasn't added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.
White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.
White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede
from the Union,and whose motto was "Alaska first," and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're
black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she's being disrespectful.
White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights,or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you're being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you're somehow being mean, or even sexist.
White privilege is being able to convince white women who don't even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a "second look."
White privilege is being able to fire people who didn't support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.
White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God's punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you're just a good church-going Christian, but if you're black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you're an extremist who probably hates America.
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White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a "trick question," while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O'Reilly means you're dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.
White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a "light" burden.
And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren't sure about that whole "change" thing. Ya know, it's just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain.
White privilege is, in short, the problem.
"The job of the public intellectual is to provoke controversy, to question and challenge power by offering alternative models and resources of hope, and perspective. It is not our destiny to be an army of occupation. We have a choice. To be engaged- writing, agitating, organizing. It can't be done individually,but as a social movement." Edward Said
Are you retarded or just as illiterate as Fox!?!?!
Show me ONE question I have not answered. ONE. My questions are the ones that don't get answered.
Oh, just because my answers 'dont count' or 'would have been better' does not mean I did not answer it in the first place.
Idiot.
so...Murder rates in the US are up?
Mayhap one of these days people will wake up and we will get a constitutional amendment to remove the 2nd.
In any case if Bagdad is safer than Chicage why do we still have troops there?
The article is stupid on a variety of levels, not the least of which is that it doesn't substantiate it's so called "comparisions"
Most rational people think that if you are 17, haven't gaduated highschool, and really have no idea what you want from life yet then to get pregnant is a bad thing, especially when it is an "accident" (ooooopppppssssss!!!!) - I'd say that if you are white, black, brown, pink, off orange with grass for hair.....
Barry Obama, never forget those days please, is an ivy league educated lawyer whose social group is hedge fund managers and venture capitalists. He's hardly been the subject of the racism the typical black american faces :rolleyes: