Christains & Martial Arts
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Originally Posted by
Corwyn
I don't usually step into these threads because I have learned that there really is no point in arguing with someone who is clearly not in touch with some aspects of reality.
But reading this thread has brought a question to mind - What responsibility do Sifu's have in accepting and teaching a student who displays behaviors or ideas which indicate an unstable mind?"
Hi Corwyn...nice to me you too.( with all of your 22 posts since 2005:cool: )
So because I am a christian, I am mentally unstable.:confused:
I have posted nothing to my knowledge that any true believer in the Bible and Jesus Christ would not at least, even if they have a difference of opinion..agree with much of my posts in that they are Scripturally correct and reflect the views of Millions of Evangelicals in the United States ( Who are obviously also unstable by your standards) If A= B...and B =C...then A also =C get it?
Bold in my faith..yes. Out spoken, maybe a little too much...yes. Controversial
by coming on a MA Site and seeking more knowledge...guilty as charged.
But mentally unstable ??? Sounds like more of a put-down than an accurrate diagnoises.
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No matter what secondary reason we have for the study of martial arts, at the base of the learning (if we become at all proficient at it) is the ability to cause great bodily harm to others. We are in effect giving someone an invisible loaded gun. If a man came into your school and said that they wanted to learn martial arts because they were part of the arian brotherhood and wanted to learn how to kill "blackies' with greater skill, would you teach them? If not why not and why accept, encourage and give direction to someone like JDK?
What ? Im a preacher! :) I dont look for trouble, start fights or try to be evil.
I already KNOW how to cause bodily harm. I strike like a jackhammer and know all the "knock out points" of the human anatomy and my grappling is decent.
Yet in 20 years I have only used my art to defend myself or my loved ones from bodily harm , maybe 5 times. AND only used sufficient force, not overkill. Could I have caused much more damage to certain ones who attempted to injure me or my family ? Absolutely.
But I have a moral obligation to treat life sacred..and do the least damage possible to those who are untrained in fighting arts.
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The only difference between this scenario and JDK is that JDK uses more PC language towards the culture and philosophy he deems inferior to his and he at the present time shares his delusion with more people .
Yet the base of his belief - by his own admission as a fundi and the comments he made on this forum- shares the same delusion as the AB members! Depending on his fundi view on pre - mid or post tribulation he wants/needs/must go to war against those whom he's delusions based on a book transcribed from the stories of 2000 year old illiterate goatherds, tell him are demon worshiping inferiors.
While I am not aware of any writings specifically addressing the issue of mental stability it is possible to infer that the rigorous indoctrination of shaolin monks, for example, may very well have included the objective of weeding out the flaky or unstable mind. I am also not aware of any news stories ever of "racist man on a Martial Arts rampage Kills 5" but still -
What responsibility do you think you have as a member of a MA community to address this?
I think your responsibility is to take care of your own business.
I am not going to waste my time debating you on brainwashing and Shaolin Monks etc...as compared with Evangelical Christianty.
Others have posted several threads agreeing that you CAN enter the spirit realm through certain QI-GONG practices. ( I noted on one of your 2 threads that you started you dont "believe in all that qi stuff" so I can overlook your ignorance in those matters.
If I have offended you in my threads...point out the offenses and we can talk.
Otherwise, watch who and why you decide to suddenly "come out of the wood work" and verbally attack...next time.
It is not safe.:D
JDK
Christains & Martial Arts
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Originally Posted by
Wong Ying Home
" Otherwise, watch who and why you decide to suddenly "come out of the wood work" and verbally attack...next time.
It is not safe.
JDK"
Looks like a vield threat...should'nt you be turning the other cheek
Oh I didnt mean to incinuate I was threatening him in any way...I was just trying to save the kid from "poppin off" at the wrong person some day...I have no idea where he lives and have no desire for violence.
I apologize if anyone else got that impression, including Corwyn
Freinds? :D
Christianty & The Martial Arts
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Originally Posted by
Corwyn
AND YET with all of the above, despite your hollow protestations in the next post your virulant reaction is plain and evident. And TYPICAL of both the mentally unstable (when their delusions are challanged) and Fundi xians towards anyone who doesn't addhere to the dogmatic nonsense they preach.
And by the way, I've been threatened by far scarier people than you in REAL life
- much to my regret as I get older, sometimes for defending the right of lunatics like you to believe in what they want.
Corwyn
I didnt mean to incinuate I was threatening YOU in any way...I was just trying to save you from "poppin off" at the wrong person some day...I have no idea where you lives and have no desire for violence.
I apologize if anyone else got that impression.
Freinds? ..or at least can we be civil?
Peace....
JDK
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so try and disregard WHO is saying it..and explore if WHAT is being said has any Truth to It.[
Christianty & The Martial Arts
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Originally Posted by
djcetra
Personally I feel that the study of Kung Fu and other MA's should be about yourself, exploring yourself and the religion that is you. The real battle here imo is how you choose to perceive things, you don't have to accept any religious teaching anyone shares with you if you don't want to. Work on yourself, believe in yourself and study your own vessel until you know no other but yourself.
Leave organized religion out of MA I say.
Respectz.
You wroteLeave organized religion out of MA I say.
I wish that were possible djcetra..I really do!!!! Unfortunely they are almost impossible to seperate ( especially Shaolin, and other non-sport-oriented Martial Arts. WHY??? Glad you asked...;)
Most of the time the Teachers of these arts are descendants or part of a Long Linage of teachers of the past centuries that based a portion of their Fighting Training on their Buddhist, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc... Faith and/or personal Belief system.
As I have stated....I want to practice and learn from a Teacher who is a Born-Again Christian....however, I am more than ready to be taught by a neutral non-religious teacher .
That means .....no bowing, no Pictures Posted on the Walls or Tokens ( forms) done to honor a past Religious Figure/"Master", no Christian teaching, nor Religious teaching of any kind...no physcic meditaton of any form that might accidently involve me in the spirit realm..
I want find such a teacher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) So I agree with you...leave ALL KINDS of Organized religion out of the teaching ..this includes ( Buddhist, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Christian etc... Faith and/or personal Belief system.)
JDK