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I see it too...
Mysteri, i can see it in sifu's face too.
You have to support your family and self. When you teach kung fu for a living you have to get students and not scare them away. hence you cant teach as you would if your livly hood didnt depend on it. I would be frustrated too.
Dont worry Mysteri you'll get to the international level.
But you will never get my cat stance :) haha
j/k :) (i got corrected cause it was too low, go figure eh, so now i gatta make just a tid bit higher)
anyway i gatta go decied wether or not to skip class :)
peace,
wally
"Everyone seems so clever and self-assured.
I alone appear unlearned and original,
insistent upon a different direction than other people pursue." -Lao Tzu
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hey i am happy to see all you guys getting along like family. that something we never had, even when dean chin was alive because there was competition. when sifu was alive, we acted like family because he made us act like family, but there was basicly two groups, the ones who always been with sifu, then the ones who left when hoy split from sifu and then came back. the bad feeling was always there. when sifu die there was no reason to act like they liked each other.
i just want to see that everybody can exhange info, and acknowledge that DEAN CHIN, not hoy, is the one who brought jow ga to the US. since you guys are all east coast you should hook up together. its something raymond tried to do with his generation and my generation, but everyone was still angry from hoys magazine articles and the "instant jow ga sifus" that were made. a good person to contact if you like to do this is rahim muhammad, reza momenan, and ron wheeler. those i think are the main ones who will help and they wont try to use it for politics (i dont think raymond will do that either, but so many people went to him, learned whatever their teacher did not know, then left, so he really does not trust people for a good reason, and plus you dont want to turn it into a "raymond wong" thing, since people are jealous that raymond is sifu successor).
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family...
zhoujia- LOL.. wasn't I the one who pointed out the problem with your stance? yeah, don't let those wushu guys fill ur head w/ nonsense there! PLEASE don't let them teach u any combat! that's NOT what they're there for! :o) but on the real, have fun out there, but make sure u remember to keep the stuff seperate (though i'm sure the flare will help out that northern flower fist :o)
thekuntawman- i understand where ur coming from. i try to understand now that the business of the past is not of my concern. it is relevant to recognize every jow ga instructor and it is also important for everyone to recognize that dean chin brought jow ga to the U.S., which he is recognized for and noone denies.i understand to a certain degree the issues of the past, and even as u said competition seemed to be obviously existent among that generation of people. but i would hope that the jow ga clan of the future (my generation) will not hold grudges for many decades like the hung gar, wing chun, and other families of great kung fu styles. should there ever be a standard jow ga? no. there are way too many branches for everyone to agree on this. but i would hope that in the future would be able to accept and learn from eachother, and to be open-minded and respectful of other's jow ga education. i personally would not ever keep food for myself and not share with my siblings because i think that is very selfish. likewise, i would like to share my knowledge with other jow ga family members once i aquire a lot more of it. i would never insist that my way is the "right" way, but the way i have learned it and i would like to understand their way as well. conclusively, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he doesn't exist! and one of his greatest tools by far is jealousy. obviously this green-eyed monster has wreaked havoc for far too long and i for one do not paln to allow him to wreak havoc in my life and in the future. but i don't have much confidence that this will balance out in this generation because the dilemma seems to be pretty fresh still with the sifu's, or else everyone would like everyone. later!
In a fight you should never stick to principles; they should stick to you!
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lol, yea i do remeber you talking bad about my stance :) its all good, i'll get it. Im learning a compulsery form, i dunno what it is though. its nothern but its not the changchuan compulsary. Coach Zhou just calls it compulsary. I dunno about combat, he has shown some nasty application. Another of his students was doing Wu style tai chi double broadsword, i had never even heard of it before. I guess coach does alot of internal as well becuase alot of the last class we were doing what seemed to be alot of xingyi. anyway im rambling all of topic...
i might be back this weekend, i dunno yet. so i might see ya around. i saw you on willie's page too, student of the month :)
peace,
Wally
"Everyone seems so clever and self-assured.
I alone appear unlearned and original,
insistent upon a different direction than other people pursue." -Lao Tzu
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bad humour again
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Jow Ga has also been referred to as Hung Tao Choy Mei, which translates "head of Hung and tail of Choy[/quote]
Hung Tao = read beans
Choy Mei = vegetable smell
I know, bad . My apologies
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hi mysteri,
i disagree only to one thing, that your generation will end the separation. all its going to take is for you guys to make a commitment to get together at least one time a year, just you guys, no instructors. get to know each other, workout, spar, exchnage your infos. after that you guys will respect each other because you know each other weakness and strength, but you either take from each others strength and build up each others weakness.
the ture weak people leave a metting with family and go "man that guys sucked! did you see his weak hand technique?" and so on. because when you meet a hung ga person and he says "i know so and so from jow ga, do you know him?" but then you talk bad about him, guess what. the hung guy goes back to HIS close brothers and say "those jow ga guys suck. they even argue like little girls over nothing because that hole style suchs". you see its jow ga against hung fut, vs tien shan pai, vs praying mantis, etc. even if they smile in your face, when you compete they want their boy to beat you. bottom line, jow ga is one of the first kung fu schools in the east coast, but its not the most respected, becuase everybody knows jow ga business. you cant run a family like that. because even the one who is strong looks weak if his brother looks weak. even if his brother is strong, but they dont do anything together, they still look weak because they never have big numbers.
if you only care about your own organization, fine, but take off the jow ga in the patch. (this is not to mysteri but anybody who is not interested to what i am saying). the jow family cant afford to have people like that.
jow ga is suppose to have its own competition in america by now. jow ga should be a division in kung fu tournaments now. gloria grimes jow ga picnic every may is suppose to bring people all the way from california and australia each year. but it does not, because you have yours and i have mine. i predict jow ga will be like most philippine martial arts in 20 years, you learn it from your dad in the back yard or a garage. you watch, if your generation cant get it together. either that or someone will take jow ga and make it into a commercial instant sifu style like ****** (i did that > )
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oops i mean i did the *** not the commercial thing.
just to let you know i do have a jow ga school beside my kuntaw, but i dont advertise, and we only take referral. maybe, (if GOD is willing)you guys gonna see them next year.
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you know what i just read the first post of this thread. i want to add something.
jow ga is the first (i think the only one too) to perform lion dance and kung fu at the white house for the president carter. that was before my time but i know it was for politics since mr carter just **** off taiwan (where my dad was living). iwas there that year too. 1979
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zhoujia- ey man, i was jus kiddin about them teaching u application. i jus got in an arguement with some other ***** who got anal about how he'd use nanquan to fight, so i'm jus gonna leave it alone. but i hope to see u this weekend..
thekuntawman- i understand ur point of view and taht ur passionate about these issues and that ur politely makin implications about my sifu. i don't have much history with the family nor do i have much say. as i said before, it's an issue with all of u guys. but i would hope that u wont imply that we try to exclude ourselves from the family. because of the politics for me to argue about anything would be futile because if there was a simple solution to a problem it would have been settled many years ago. but as with all things in life i try to work hard to ensure that future generations won't have to endure such nonsense and may they come together in harmony and peace instead of harboring issues from a past which we didnt know. there have been numerous occasions in the few years i've been on board that we've made much effort to invite and include other branches in our functions. some were more successful than others. btw- jow ga is also a division in the USWKF annual tournament in baltimore now, it's been since at least '99. it may not seem like much, but each step brings a new glimmer of hope to our advancement. i myself try to uphold the true spirit of a martial artist and like a father work hard to ensure a bright future for my next generation. it would be all too easy for me to suggest to your generation to let go of the past because regardless of how much i hear, i will never truly understand. the point of the matter is beyond us and our issues. jow lung had a dream that everyone in the world would know of and be able to practice his style. he understood that like anything which must survive, it will change and evolve. as long as there are always those who genuinely share this dream that this beautiful art will prosper throughout the generations, no kind of selfish acts or attitudes can stop this from happening. i plan to keep this dream alive. may others genuinely as well. many say that education is preparation for life; when in fact it is life itself. may we all practice what we preach.
In a fight you should never stick to principles; they should stick to you!
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sorry your father was invloved in that issue in taiwan.
In a fight you should never stick to principles; they should stick to you!
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hi mysteri
i didnt mean separate from the older generation. what i mean to say is becuase you all know each other and like together, you guys can start a family reunion with just you guys. this way there is no bad feelings in the beginning, and watch maybe the older ones will come around maybe they wont but its you guys that will take jow ga to the next level anyway. we have always beem a chinatown small group. you guys are everywhere.
i didnt want the older ones involve because they will probaly tell you tings like "i'm not going if he's going to be there" and other childish things like that. the family reunion is not for them they already got one. you guys start one. its easy, rent a park or hall for 200 bucks, everybody cooks something, then you guys call each other up (or email, or post here) get a date, then boom, you got it.
with you guys its good you arent there the, so there is no heavy old baggage. if you do that i will be there okay? i will bring my students to. i am trying to get them to use the computer to meet you all, but these are working class guys and they dont do the computer that much. but i would like them to meet other jow ga.
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them nanquan %&*#$ ^-^
mysteri,
haha ok ok i will admit alot of wushu forms dont have alot of useful application, you got me there :) i dunno though, some of the nanquan ive seen looks more practical then alot of other modern wushu(except im seeing this new nanquan form it looks crappy, they are taking it and making it more kicky :( ). anywho dont take any crap from the wushu people :)
including me :rolleyes:
kuntaman,
Im glad to hear that you are spreading jow ga on the west coast:)
peace,
Wally
"Everyone seems so clever and self-assured.
I alone appear unlearned and original,
insistent upon a different direction than other people pursue." -Lao Tzu
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zhou jia-yeah, i'll leave u wushu guys alone. u serve ur purpose :)
thekuntawman- thank u for your encouragement. only time and experience can help me to make the right choices for the future. should i ever hold a banquet, anyone is invited! we had a banquet a few months ago and all other jow ga schools were invited. it was a successful banquet and i enjoyed it much, i jus wish all of the other schools could have made it. but for whatever reason tehy could not attend i do not hold it against them. there will always be more get-togethers as long as there's people to get together. hope to see u guys in the near future.
In a fight you should never stick to principles; they should stick to you!
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Awesome!!
How you doin by the way?
Last I heard things were going kinda rough.
Hope things are going better for yah.