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Pacman
as usual, your analysis is very superficial. to say it is elementary is an understatement.
if you watch other vids of brawls and streetfights, untrained people are not going to be throwing punches with their elbow in. they will probably do what they see the most. what they see in tvs and movies. throwing punches from the shoulder, maybe even wild swings. horizontal fists
You are missing the big picture: the basis for everything is there. If you watch untrained (non)swimmers thrown in the water you will see all kinds of unproductive movement too. The environment -- whether the water or a fight -- is what we need to learn to deal with. You're right that people will be doing those things in a fight. The next question is: can you deal THAT?
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that was my first instinct when i had no training. even when i started out in WC, i would lose all composure and form sometimes when i sparred and things got heated. adrenaline takes over and your natural instincts take over.
i would be an unskilled brawler like the WC you see on youtube.
however, i was taught to fight those instincts and its instinct for me to hunch, to squat down, and to keep my elbow in etc.
It's not a matter of "fighting instincts", it is a matter of learning to move more effectively (skillfully). Throw someone who can't swim into water and they will flail about; with practice they learn how to make their movement more productive.
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you are speakng very generally and i have no idea what you are talkign about specifically.
i specifically talked about keeping the elbow in. its a bit unnatural and difficult at first because most people lack the flexibility and the muscles used for that position.
It's unnatural for you since you are not using it where it is "naturally" appropriate.
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"mistaken view". that really made me laugh out loud. you can claim to know a lot about fighting because you supposedly fight a lot in your exclusive underground fight club, but really...stop talking like you know about all sorts of WC. you demonstrated your lack of knwledge of SN WC when you described the 12 san sik
but apparently i have a mistaken view of WC and there is no emphasis on keeping your elbow in the center etc.
Things like "keeping your elbow in the center" is beginner-level stuff, and adherence to it (dogma) confirms you are a beginner. The elbow goes where it needs to go to do what you want to do.
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i never said you said this.
That wasn't clear so I made it clear.
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i dont know why u said this. this is a restatement of what i said, although i did not sound as much of a ***** as you.
No, you didn't say anything like that.
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wait say that again. i havent heard you say this before.
Too bad you won't listen to it.
People who haven't put in that work are incompetent fighters -- it doesn't matter if it is grappling or WCK or boxing or whatever. And since understanding comes from skill, an incompetent fighter has an incompetent understanding of his art (and fighting, for that matter). By working with competent fighters people will at least reach the stage of conscious incompetence (they are incompetent and know it). That's the first step toward competence. Unfortunately, most are unconsciously incompetent (incompetent and don't know it) and will stay there -- happy in their bubble.