OdderMensch.these are fine examples and are not wing chun princeples,infact they are not any k.f princeples,only they are western veiws on to protect ones-self IMO.
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OdderMensch.these are fine examples and are not wing chun princeples,infact they are not any k.f princeples,only they are western veiws on to protect ones-self IMO.
But your spidey senses should be tingling....Quote:
Originally posted by EnterTheWhip
He is not in a situation where Wing Chun is necessary.
Matrix
Thanks for the warning, old jong...Quote:
Originally posted by old jong
EnterTheWhip.
Just to let you know that your old self coughWhippingHandcoughcough is beginning to surface!....;)
ey i'm a SLOPPY AMATURE that has alot to learn but from what i seen a nice hard KICK to the SHINS [not hard to do] would stop almost ANY BODY so in my UNprofessional opinion the SHIN KICK [is that a WC/MA word?] is a realy good 1st impression for an attacker
what do you more experienced people think
ps
they taught me to connect with the feet 1st especialy in the
WT LATSAU program
that's my 2 cents
PEACEnRESPECT
mike
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My sifu teaches to avoid a fight any way you can, if you end up fighting you have already lost because you are not playing your own game.
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So why aren't you teaching the same?
For one, I cannot teach the same as my sifu. Two, I try to carry on the principles he passes onto me as best as I can. Thirdly, how would you know what I teach my students? Have you been to any of my classes, have we met? Patrick.
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If my opponent is giving me a problem and we seperate, you can be **** sure my hands will be in Jong Sau position...and I won't enter with a kick, ha!
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If you separate, that is your way out.
Perhaps, perhaps not. A wing chun fighter is not like a pitbull. You close when you need to, you seperate when you need to, you walk away when you need to.
Patrick.
Why wouldn't you take it?
Take what, a beating? I hope this not what you are saying. Only a fool would brag about being able to "take it". Patrick.
Because your ego would come into play... wouldn't it? That is not a Wing Chun fighter.
My ego would come into play because I could not take it? I am a little confused but it sounds like you are as well. I won't bring up my ego because I have no idea what you are talking about. Speaking of egos, it sounds like yours is quite inflated. patrick.
If you respond with more of your theory, I am afraid I will not be able to follow up. I am on my way to visit my sifu for a couple of weeks. Good luck, sincerely,
Patrick Gordon.
but i'm tired.
Sui -
:rolleyes:
tron
ive been doin WT for bout 10 months now an ive been taught only to kick when you have contact/control.
my teacher did say that maybe - if somebody was chargin at you and you had a pint in your hand (and didnt want to spill/smash it in his face :eek: ) you could front kick him but not recommended.
i guess if you were entering and there was the opportunity you could convert your step (aimed at controlling your opponents leg at least) to a kick. but generally youd advance your man sao and be in contact by this point anyway.
i wouldnt ever really specifically enter with a kick id just go in, see what happened - bit dangerous gamblin on it IMHO
peace
jon
You use a side kick when you cannot use a front kick.Quote:
Originally posted by fa_jing
One of the things I don't understand is when to use a side kick as opposed to a front kick.
Matrix
a "wing chun fighter"[from my end]has to be reved up before he protects himself ...
but i know this of w/c fighters so thats how i know they're are to bow out of respect to me.
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What in the world are you jabbering about, sui?,<g>
1. wing chun fighters are not made with a cookie cutter.
2. bow? Sic? sic transit sui mundi.?
Such as when?Quote:
Originally posted by Matrix
You use a side kick when you cannot use a front kick.
Matrix
OK, I know that when you do a low stop kick, it is often beneficial to turn the foot in or out in order to present a greater contact surface to help your chances of catching his leg. Also, the side kick can be used to hit the knee at a particular angle. So let's confine the discussion to kicks aimed at the midsection (hip to chest)
1. Is it a matter of pointing your foot in a particular direction to avoid his defense? I know that for instance, if your trying to front kick his mid-section below his elbow that you sometimes turn your foot out, to avoid the toes running into the elbow. Is there another defensive hand position that your opponent may assume that calls for a side kick?
2. Or, is it more a question of the relative postion of the opponent?
3. Or, is it a natural outgrowth of an upper body movement like the bon sao, where it feels natural to turn your kicking hip over?
4. Or is it for when your rear foot is pointing too far away from the target to do a front kick.
I'm far from confused, and you seem to have drowned in the details.
No, there is no need to try to avoid anything.Quote:
Originally posted by fa_jing
1. Is it a matter of pointing your foot in a particular direction to avoid his defense?
Yes, much more. I'm sure that you can think of a situation where this would be the case.Quote:
2. Or, is it more a question of the relative postion of the opponent?
No, not at all. If you are in position to use Bong Sau, then a front kick is best.Quote:
3. Or, is it a natural outgrowth of an upper body movement like the bon sao, where it feels natural to turn your kicking hip over?
You should never be in this position, and if you were I don't see how a side kick would make the situation any better.Quote:
4. Or is it for when your rear foot is pointing too far away from the target to do a front kick.
Fa_jing, please discuss this with your sifu or an older brother or sister. Your school may have a different philosophy from mine. Besides, why take advice from a faceless entity on the internet?
Remember, be a student, not a follower. In other words, study and critically assess what you are doing and do not just follow what others tell you. Eat the chicken and spit out the bones.
Cheers,
Matrix
Thanks for your opinions anyway. I'll discuss it further with my sifu then. Really I have already, he has said that the chinese kick from all angles.
Also, he said that leaning over and to the side for an "off-body side kick," takes your upper body out of range of an attack. I just have to learn to make things work for me.
When you say that your upper body is "out of range of an attack" do you mean out of range FROM attack or out of range for you to use in an attack? Think about it.Quote:
Originally posted by fa_jing
Also, he said that leaning over and to the side for an "off-body side kick," takes your upper body out of range of an attack. I just have to learn to make things work for me.
Besides, why do I need to attack your upper body when I can just take your legs out from under you??
Matrix
I drowned a couple of posts back. i can't keep up with your wisdom.Quote:
Originally posted by EnterTheWhip
I'm far from confused, and you seem to have drowned in the details.
Off to New Mexico!
Patrick Gordon.