Ever choked someone to submission?
No? Didn't think so.
I have.
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Ever choked someone to submission?
No? Didn't think so.
I have.
I have, many times. It's a regular occurance in Japanese arts both new and old.
There are a few publicized incidents in which judoka (in particular a french judoka) have been killed by chokes. The french judoka was choked out to death, and had to be brought back to life by people skilled in revival.
Chokes work great on everyone especially on the ground when you are in full control. Not a great choice standing up as you can easily be thrown from most standard choke positions while standing.
It isn't the choke that takes time, it is getting it set while you are being struggled against that takes the time!.
Once you get it set properly, it takes seconds to conclude the deal! :D
As far as I am concerned setting a choke is part and parcel with choking someone. If You haven't been able to clinch down on the throat because the guy tucked his chin and is now making your life miserable as he thrashes and writhes around you are still in the process of choking him.
I agree with you Simmon.
I was merely trying to draw the distinction between how you are thinking about it how paradoxbox must be thinking about it. The only way to consider a choke quickly is the manner in which i have described it i think!!;)
This was how one of my friend, who was in a Chinese gang, handled a much stronger, tougher, meaner Vietnames gang....
Step 1: Set up a date, time, place for the gang war. Make sure the Viet Gang knows the Ching Gang was bringing weapons.
Step 2: Don't turn up, wait till the Viet Gang was all there, call the cops.
Step 3: Watch as all the Viet Gang was arrested for carrying prohibited weapons.
Step 4: Wait around the corner of the police station.
Step 5: As the Viet Gang members was released one by one, ambushed them 15 to one with baseball bats and beat them to a pulp one by one.
Step 6: Repeat Step 5 until all of them were beaten up.
I thought it was pretty smart, kind of funny too.
Cheers,
John
I'm afraid you did not understand my post (I indicated chokes only work well when in full control, almost always on the ground, does this not indicate I believe it is a finishing move?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown
Let it be known that I consider chokes to be a finisher and not a starter. There are many better moves that work faster that will incapacitate someone even of such strength and stature. But a choke on the ground will make sure they can not get back up again to cause you harm.
I imagine you both have some experience with chokes so you should know that anyone unfamiliar with such chokes has little chance of escaping once you are controlling them and apply it.
Remember that this topic is not about fighting unskilled opponents. The men who were the subject of this thread have a reputation for fighting. So it is dangerous to assume that they would open up and allow you to toss in a choke unmolested.
Why not get them all high on weed, and then beat them up when there blazed. Being high takes away their coordination and aggressive drive.
Not always true. The Chronic sometimes gets people energised too.
Experienced in street fighting or experienced in martial arts? Being good at throwing hard haymakers and sucker punching, being able to take punches or worse, is a far cry from being able to escape from a fast throw or a leg lock, being aware someone is about to stab them in the brain etc..
Only reason I can ever envision a person getting into a fight with those people is in a competition fight or you've been sent as a hitman to take them out, there's no legitimate reason to be hanging around people like that.
Martial arts came from two sources:
1: Shamanistic Ritual.
2: People who surived down and dirty brawls codifying how they did it.
Underestimating an opponent is the #1 way for a skilled fighter to lose a fight. I try to never do this. Just because a guy isn't a 7th dan black belt just because the guy doesn't call himself "master" doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to fight. I don't know the skills of these men. I don't know if they are trained. I don't know if they have survived a hundred bar brawls. I don't know if they have survived knife and chain attacks. But to assume: "that guy is a pushover because he isn't wearing a gi" is a huge mistake.
For all I know these guys could be really nice guys underneath the gatts and tatts. I mean I have met guys like that who are really OK guys once you get to know them. Or they could be total *****s. I just don't know. Likewise I don't know how skilled or unskilled they are. In this case I am going to assume the worst and figure that they have the skills necessary to counter fancy techniques and I am going to rely on high-success rate techniques.
They are called bread and butter for a reason.
Underestimating is one thing, being realistic is another.
How much you want to bet none of those guys do taijiquan?
get my drift?
anyway this is getting side tracked,
how do you fight guys like that? first strike or hit them with a large weapon. like a mack truck.
I'm not knocking Taijiquan... Hell! I'm studying it right now! But believe it or not you don't need to know Taiji to be a good fighter.
man i dont wanna fight ne guys that alex sovsauh or wateva hes a machine.i would [prob get his help takin out the otha somaons nothin against them im riends wit some soamons and therer kool guys but forced to fight. all sorts of dirty things comin out no punch all kill destruction moves thats really wat id be thinkn and move fast to get away its not lik a match fite u cant get away so get away.thats the point of self defence that guy at the start sounds lik my bro whos also 16 think they can fite the world one handed ma or no ma think wit ur head not ur nuts iv had friends put in hosiptal and stuff lik that coz they had the same mentality peace not war