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jared1211, can you please answer mine and ronin babu question about using chi
you said You cannot develop chi through a glove. It can be slightly differed to be used though. I do think my system is utterly complete for this one reason, I USE CHI. If 5 guys on the street run into one who really knows mantis, it shouldn't be a fight for the mantis.
i am very curious as to know what your talking about
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Dragon
Everyone is! Even him! ;) :rolleyes:
Jake :cool:
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Jake LOL I was really looking forward to his explaination, I figured it would be a doosey!
the only thing i have been taught when fighting more than one guy is to hit the biggest one with everthing you got and hope he was also the toughest and his friends would then think twice.:D
I also have a hard time developing chi when dressed in leather clothing so I use silk for the qi flows unimpeded through it much easier.
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also another technique useful against a group is to keep one onfront of another. do not allow them to surround you. instead, keep them between on another to keep the fight mono a mono. you dont want to be overwhelmed so block and keep them fighting you one at a time. when you get an opening attack fiercly and hope you drop him with one shot. we practice two on one in our dojo. so id assume you do the same against more than two.
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sall, agreed. I have been in 2 on 1 situations before, never good however if you have a wall car or any kind of obstacle to back up to you cut off the angles and keep your arse out of harms way, you can also do as you said and use thier own bodies, but that only works until your grabbed or hit then they come from any side.
That is is they are really looking to harm you, most fights are BS and over ego nothing more, a real fight is when you have to defend your life or the lives of your family then you fight to kill and thats a whole different level. luckiy I have only had to do this once when I was stabbed and hopefully will never have to again but then again i moved out of the city and now in the burbs of NY where its nice and quiet:)
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From personel experience i tend to stay away from walls. im not very large, though very fast, and like to keep area to move. when grabbed i tend to go for sweeps which hammpers others from moving in. also i find that keeping away from walls gives you the oppurtunity to run whenever it presents itslef. I can admit i am no bruce lee and can not take on an army of opponents if i have no one to protect other than myself as i said earlier i am very fast.
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try to understand using the wall allows only 3 directions in which to be attacked rather than 4 .......dont get me wrong cornered is no good either but a wall can be used in your advantage.
to touch upon your speed statement
I was once told that strength is good, power is great, technique is better but nothing can be matched by speed....................... until one day my shifu said true but speed is always beaten by intelligence............
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Well it’s nice to see that although I have been gone for some time not much has changed… I do see a few new faces, I hope everyone one has been well…
I am not a big fan of fighting with gloves as I do think that it limits mantis fighting. Still!~ Mantis is not all hands. Some of my favorite mantis techniques are to knock down my opponent using more of my body and motion not just hands. Seems to me it doesn’t have that much to do with using mantis in the ring as it has to do with looking past the hands. As for the level of aggression that is also a bunch of crap! If you can not use your technique with out hurting someone you most likely don’t have enough control to do the kind of serious damage mantis fight is known for… Your training is everything. If you train hard you will fight hard. The style is important but your understanding is more important. It seems more often then not that when a western kung fu fighter of any style puts on gloves they turn into boxers. Bouncing around on their tippy toes throwing jabs… yea it’s shameful… of course, it is entirely possible to use mantis fighting in the ring if you apply the strategies of mantis fighting. Hook Grapple Pluck, so forth… or more advance and evade… you do lose the ability to grab with hand but it does not mean you can’t get an arm bar, locking your opponent up followed with a knock down. Contact, cling, tag, lean, yea baby!! Don’t see enough use of posture and leverage to knock the other guy off balance. One of the reasons I enjoy watching push hands. Soft energy is IMO the most effective self-defense tool you can have. Not sure why you can’t use it through a glove maybe you have the supernatural kind. Using soft movement as a technique is a very deep subject that I am not qualified to speak about but am trying to rap my head around. Actually I’m trying to sink my feet into:::::::
Anyone who has trained long enough knows that if you think you have it figured out that just means you need to start looking at it from a different prospective. I believe that if you want to use mantis in sports you should be able to. As with any style or technique you have to modify it at some point to fit it into the situation in front of you. Whether in the ring or on the street you must accommodate your environment, as long as you follow the methods of your training, it will remain mantis fighting././
Anyway it’s nice to be back, fun to put my two cents in. I don’t get that much time these days so this is just visit for me. Good to see those of you I know and glad to meet those of you I don’t. Have a safe holiday everyone.
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I know where your coming from, and i do see how it helps. the only way i think i would do it is as a last resort. but once your back is against the wall your stuck. theres no other way outta the fight but to fight the fight. i like the idea of being able to know my back is covered and they cant hit me in the back of the head, but i also like to nkow that when the oppurntunity to get out of there arises, i can bolt. no sense in looking like a hero when its an unnecesary fight. but again if i knew the fight couldnt be stoped i could see myself backing into the wall. maybe i just dont have enough confidence in my skills as a fighter to wanna stick it out and go back against the wall with a hoard of guys. who knows, just dont feel safe limiting my room to move.
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By using internal strength instead of outer it makes someone have more stamina, you can absorb more strikes, and your attacks have all the more power. The way we would fight more than one is to aim for pressure points and clear the air around us using circles. The circles are the biggest part of mantis. You can block more than one attack with just one circle with your arm. The way to end it is I would be kicking and using the phoenix eye together which in result breaks shins if I miss with the phoenix eye or if the phoenix eye hits correctly it will rule the one it hit out of the fight. I'm not saying every fight with 5 people would be a success at all. It all depends on the skills of the other fighters too. At the beginning of the fight whoever of the ones fighting me stepped up and there was the least bit of opening to the face. A very hard flick is going right for the eyes.
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Jared,
it sounds like you have a good teacher. however, it also sounds like you are maybe taking things a bit too literall in his teachings. maybe not, maybe so.
you are right, IMO, in a lot of things you are saying....however, it also sounds like you have not had any fights outside of your own circle.
how close are you to Western NC? I've only had one seminar's experience in SPM but I'd be willing to trade hands with you or your teacher. Not a challenge...just a friendly exchange.
I'm getting ready to start a Saturday sparring class open to everyone that's willing to abide by my school rules.
shoot me a PM if you are interested.
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I am actually very close to you. I am in eastern TN. My teacher is an excellent teacher. He learned SPM with Hagood from Louie Man Jack himself. He amazes me more and more every time I see him, but from hearing him talk about Louie he knows nothing(as he would put it). Sometime in the future I would like to get together and compare. I will leave my teacher's name unmentioned but you get the picture.
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sure thing. I just moved my school and am still reorganizing and getting settle in but will be getting set up for the saturday get togethers soon. I'll PM you when we're good to go.
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Brother, you need some help.
First of all stamina has NOTHING to do with "internal" power. That is purely conditioning, and unfortunately is a grueling, time consuming, physical endeavor. You can practice all the qi gong in the world and it will not give you more stamina in a fight.
Secondly.... how many times have you seen someones shin break from one single kick???? I have never seen it, except once in the ring. Once. I would not rely on it. I agree that a shin strike hurts like hell, but to rely on it to break something!?!?!
Third.... ahhhhhhh, pressure points. Again like Mat was saying, you obviously have not been in a conflict with someone real time. Using pressure points to strike someone in a real time fight is bunk. Dude you will get tore up.
I say this not to hurt you, but hopefully to give some dose of reality. It sounds like you are serious about training (though I have to wonder why you are embarrassed to claim your teacher??), but are living a strange fantasy of how fights really flow (if you can call chaos "flowing").
I have trained with many SPM guys, and while many were good, I never got my shin broke, and they never, NEVER, hit a pressure point unless I was stadning still and allowed them to demo on me. Not saying it is not a good style, just that the way you are speaking sounds potentially dangerous if you get in a real altercation.
I think you should get with Matt and train a bit. He can help you out as his skills are great, plus he has a grappling background which is a bit important if we are talking about street combat, or multiple fighters.
Hope this helps,
Jake :cool:
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Jake - hold your horses there big fella! ;) I agree with your points, but kindly drop the attitude. Jared1211 does have some misperceptions about the art, but he is being civil. You can do the same. Oso did a fine job of making his point very clearly - we all understood. But he also remained quite freindly about the whole thing and did not talk in a condesending manner. We can all do the same.
Cheers,
BBK