it is VERY retarded of you to say what you just said considering the recent shootings in america.
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The secrets of Shaolin grappling have been revealed.:rolleyes:
So because people do get shot it's the only way they are attacked?
I'm not refuting that gun and knife attacks are prevalent. I'm refutin your statement that it is the only way people are attacked. I worked in law enforcement for 6 years and for homeland security. I know better.
99% of fist fights can probably be avoided (a) not being an idiot, (b) not hanging out with idiots, and (c) not frequenting establishments where idiots are known to congregate.
But there still may be times when you have to defend yourself. I know a great deal of martial artists who have had to use their MAs in real situations.
When I worked in real bad areas in inner cities I carried a gun with me. Statistically though, shootings in those areas tend to be gang and drug related. If you aren't involved on the local scene you probably won't get shot. Almost everyone out in the country has a gun. Shootings in rural areas very rare. Fist fights are not.
Of course carrying a gun may be the most practical solution, but as it's been mentioned, this is very easy in some states and extremely difficult in others.
That's not the point.
The point is, if your studying something that's main purpose was for combat/self preservation, what's wrong with training it in a manner that you may actually be able to use it for these purposes; whether or not you do?
So you went out and bought a gun for self defense. You don't expect to ever use it, but you wanted one just in case.
Do you, (a)
Periodically clean and oil your gun? Drill your stance, form and breath control? Go to the range and put a box of ammo through it? Develop solid groupings and a smooth double tap?
Or (b)
Never load it? Pretend to dive across your living room in slow motion making bang-bang sounds with your mouth? Twirl it on your finger? Stand in front of the mirror practicing your Fifty Cent/Clint Eastwood impersonations, with your arm fully extended and the gun turned sideways, while grabbing your balls?
Don't tell me the larpers could defend themselves effectively with a gun. I don't buy it.
Actually becoming good at that stuff takes time and effort, and without constant training you lose it quickly
And it depends on your opponent, a few months of ground work might help you with a bum who has managed to trip you up, it wont help you with a BJJ bluebelt who is raining down bombs on your head from mount
And again...the point is...having been in the situation, experienced it and practiced for it gives you a chance...as opposed to no chance if you've never been there.
If you have drilled defending against ground and pound from the guard, you may or may not be able to defend/escape...depending on your skill, the skill of your opponent, luck and all the other variables.
If you've never been there or done any training for it, your chances are close to 0.
I don't see that as a false sense of security. If anything drilling it would make you more serious about not allowing a take down, or cross training and learning to fight from that position. A false sense of security is having never experienced that element and thinking "I'll be good."
I'm not talking about submitting a submission wrestler, I'm not even talk about surviving/escaping...I'm talking about having a chance at surviving/escaping.
actually your quote mentionwed both escaping and reversing it
which is a lot different to saying a little training might give you a chance of survival, what you put is in my opinion a classic example of a false sense of security, especially if its drilled in your shaolin class against other equally clueless people when it comes to the groundQuote:
but it's really not that hard to learn to defend against ground and pound and escape or reverse and it's valuable to know. At the very least being in the situation and working it is beneficial.
Honestly if people arent prepared to put time and effort into learning something properly i think its better they not bother, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing and can lead to a false sense of security ive seen this in guys who think they know ground fighting because they have watched a few youtube clips and drilled it in class against their fellow students who have never grappled in their lives, when they actually try it against someone with grappling knowledge (or even basic rugby skills) they get a real eye opener
Interesting that the knife attacker used grappling to hold the guy he was attacking and then put him on the ground to finish him off.
Now think about what might happen if the guy being attacked knew some grappling arm control methods so that instead of being gutted with full force knife thrusts, he was able to mitigate the potential force of the knife.
While I agree in principle, having a lil of this or that can be beneficial in a pinch. Especially if you find yourself in unfamiliar territory from somebody who isn't a training fighter. The average thug can't wrestle either. So a half decent sprawl, maybe a few reversals etc may not be bad to have at least a familiarity with. It's on you to understand what you know and what you don't and if one class in BJJ gives you any sense of security, you prolly deserve to get knocked around.