chrisM knows alot about silat, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe someone should PM him about this thread.
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chrisM knows alot about silat, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe someone should PM him about this thread.
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Stranger,No.
I'm sorry to hear that. Silat is such a cool art, but there are not too many teachers in the US, therefore it is sad to hear whenever an instructor stops teaching.
I thought I read on this forum or Emptyflower that you have also worked with Willem DeThouars. If so, could you humor us with a Serak / Kuntao-Silat comparision post? I'm not looking for a statement of which is better or worse.
Anybody here that practices silat and has also been exposed to X-kan taijutsu? I've read material online that suggest an influence of the former on the latter.
Anybody able to compare Indonesian and Malaysian silat?
As you probably know my background is baguazhang. Uncle's looked like a cross between southern gongfu and bagua. Sera is different in that it is all base, angle, leverage. If you get a chance check out Guru Steve Plinck's videos. It's funny, when Pak Victor stayed at my house I showed him a bunch of videos. He hated them all. Then I showed him my bagua teachers vid and the moment Pak saw him just walking the circle he sat up and said "now this guy has something."
Uncle I only saw a few times. I consider Pak Vic to have been my teacher. Although we are no longer associated I have nothing but the highest regard for him.
BTW, one of my senior students used to study ninpo.
Thanks for the information.
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BTW, one of my senior students used to study ninpo.
Has he ever suggested that his previous training and silat have anything in common?
Can anybody explain what "Pukulan" means?
Is it a type of silat?
Is it a region?
Does it mean the silat was developed by the Dutch-Indo community rather than full-blooded Indonesians?
Do you see any connection to this: http://perso.club-internet.fr/jfgill...ter/index.html
This is gonna ruffle some feathers but pukulan is a mis-pronounciation of pugilism. That's all.
Some of the techniques I've seen in the form I'm familiar with definitely show a European/Kaffir influence. Side kicks, for example are well documented in Europe but non-existant in Asian fighting manuals before the late nineteenth century. The hand techniques are classic bare knuckle pugilism. However there is also a definite Chinese/Buddhist influence as Poekoelan contains animal forms. This is just a description of the form that I'm familiar with. It is entirely possible that Poekoelan/Pukulan is a generic term in Indonesia and could refer to any fighting art.
When Keith Myers had his own website up he had some really good pics of old style pugilism. The link below has some pics that resemble the hand techniques of Poekoelan. The primary kick in Poekoelan is alow side kick that is always followed by hand techniques.
http://ejmas.com/jmanly/articles/200...myers_0801.htm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
Pukulan is from the Dutch Indo slang pukul meaning to strike
silat thread
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Mr. Remrev is one of the pioneers of silat in this country along with Pak Rudy Terlingen, Pak Willem Wetzel, Pak Jim Ingram, and of course, the DeThouars family.
This was in the thread I have linked above. I am familiar with all of the names except "Mr. Remrev". The only thing I have found online regarding this name is that he may be the initial silat instructor of Steven Plinck, before Plinck went to PDT. Does this make Remrev a serak guy? Who were his students?
Robert, over at EF would be a better one to ask. I only know he's been a silat guy for a long time. He may have worked with the DeThouars at one time, but I doubt he would consider himself a Sera man.
Hello, I am Ojibwe, the founder of American Silat. I am looking to start a mixed martial arts study group that trains on Tuesdays and Thursdays at Middlesex County College in Edison, NJ. We will cover fighting from various ranges, self defense, ground fighting, weapons disarmament, etc. Please contact me if you are interested or know anyone who would be. Thank you.
Selamat Saudara Saudara
Pukul or Pukulan or Poekoelan etc. Is not Dutch-Indo slang but actually Indonesian for To Strike. In the Dutch Indo Silat and Some Indonesian Aliran Aliran Western Boxing is incorporated into the systems.
Hormat dan Salaam
Orang Silat
Hello to all,
I am a practitioner of pencak silat and have studied mande muda,maphilindo,inosanto/lacoste,Sera,and harimau.
I also train regular in FMA/JKD along with a catch wrestling instructor.
I am a co founder of the Texas Combatives Association: http://www.freewebs.com/combativearts/
If anyone is in the Austin,Texas area and would like to train in any of these arts without the school mentality...check us out.
:D
Wow, this a guy is really good! I am not sure what all he is doing, but he is maintaining fantastic body structure, especially lower spine. It's very rare to see anyone do this anymore. I know all the work I put into getting it myself, then I see this guy who is light years ahead of me.
It's a Beautiful thing!! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc3t3...eature=related
Can't really appreciate a form unless I know application. Otherwise its just all fancy hand waving. But that's just me. :p