So let's just make government bigger. :eek: That'll fix it. :rolleyes:
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Yes, yes it will.
In fact let's nationalize everything.
Nationalized oil, nationalized agriculture, nationalize the entire supply chain.
Full-blown communism, here we go!
Down with the bourgeoisie!
Hey wait... didn't you say you were rich.
Well...
You know what we communists like to do with rich people. :D
This thread blows chunks.
Name that company please. What GOP politicians did they contribute to?
Notice I was able to show EXACTLY how much Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac gave to Obama. Do the same.
I'll be willing to bet that in terms of accidental removals, seniors were the least likely to be removed. Do you have the numbers on this study you reference?
You know why? Because the ones purged are usually the ones who have not voted for years. Seniors are the most likely bloc to vote. Blacks are one of the blocs least likely to vote. A simple explanation.
Name ONE instance where a person should have been.
So you're admitting it was in there at some point, right? Or was Lindsey Graham lying?
As to Florida in 2000:
Regarding the ballot the Dems were crying about, saying their voters were too stupid to figure out. Remember, it was designed and approved by a Democrat.
Answer my question: don't you want to live in the people's utopia?
Well, this is an interesting read.
"All of which tells you about what you'd expect from a raise-the-base choice like Palin: She's a puffed-up dimwit with primitive religious beliefs who had to be educated as to the fact that the Constitution did not exactly envision government executives firing librarians."
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics.../mad_dog_palin
Enjoy. :D
Times like this I wish Hunter S. Thompson were alive to write about some of this. That RS piece had a hint of Hunters spirit.
Palin is a nutjob.....plain and simple.
On the voter purges...I'll make it easy for you - New York Times link :
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...54C0A9629C8B63
There are other less mainstream sources that outline how far such purges have gone...but they are even more alarming than the NYT article..and it was surpressed for a good while - until after the elections....and there WAS a story on that one too. Look that one up for yourself. The information is out there.
The voting machine companies ES&S and Diebold....I forgot the ES&S name but I mentioned Diebold by name in my earlier post. Reading comprehension problem?
a bit of background on them :
"Whose Voting Machines
by Doug Pibel
Winter 2004: Whose Water?
Whose Voting Machines
by Doug Pibel
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Two of the corporations that provide nearly all of the voting machines in the United States—ES&S and Diebold—are controlled by Republicans with strong ties to the Bush administration. One company is also linked to a far-right fundamentalist Christian movement.
In a recent mailing to Republican donors, Walden O'Dell, CEO of Diebold Inc., one of three companies certified to sell electronic voting equipment to the state of Ohio, stated his commitment “to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.”
All of the $195,000 Diebold has given in political contributions since 2000 went to the Republican Party or Republican candidates, as has all of the over $240,000 that the company's directors and chief officers have donated, according to OpenSecrets.org.
Diebold and ES&S are heavily interconnected. Brothers Todd and Bob Urosevich founded American Information Services (AIS), which became ES&S when AIS merged with Business Records Corporation (BRC). Todd works at ES&S as vice president, while Bob is now president of Diebold. ES&S claims that it counted 56 percent of U.S. votes in the last four presidential elections.
AIS was initially funded by Howard Ahmanson. Ahmanson is a member of the Council for National Policy, a “steering group” linked to the Bush administration, and has holdings in ES&S. Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, former CEO of AIS, had significant AIS holdings when the company counted the votes for his surprise election victory in 1996. Hagel has been scrutinized by the Senate Ethics Committee over his investments in the McCarthy Group. ES&S, which counted the votes when Hagel was re-elected in 2002, is a subsidiary of the McCarthy Group, according to The Hill.
BRC was started with money from Texas billionaire Nelson Bunker Hunt. Both Ahmanson and Hunt are large contributors to the Chalcedon Foundation, a think tank for the Christian Reconstruction movement, which advocates literal application of Old-Testament law.
The company hired by the Republican governor of Maryland to analyze Diebold's computer voting systems, defense contractor SAIC, also has close Republican ties. SAIC reported that security flaws in Diebold's systems could be fixed.
SAIC board members Admiral Bill Owens (former military aide to **** Cheney), and ex-CIA chief Robert Gates, who was implicated in the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s, also serve on the board of VoteHere, a growing elections software company. SAIC itself is producing electronic voting systems in partnership with Diversified Dynamics.
SAIC has been investigated for fraud and security lapses in its electronic systems, but has received contracts for work in Iraq.
Electronic security and verifiability have become issues in the shift to computerized voting mandated by the Help America Vote Act. Voting expert Rebecca Mercuri, a Bryn Mawr College professor of computer science, argues that computer voting technology is vulnerable to error and manipulation and should not be used unless it includes paper receipts. (See YES!, Spring 2003 and Fall 2003.)"
“You know why? Because the ones purged are usually the ones who have not voted for years. Seniors are the most likely bloc to vote. Blacks are one of the blocs least likely to vote. A simple explanation.”
You are ignoring the fact that this was NOT a purge of voters who had not voted. It was a purge of people who were supposed to be illegally registered. That was THEIR justification for it. They actually had one of the algorithms used in the purge that identified race – it was hidden but the code got out a couple of years ago. If you were a minority that typically did NOT vote GOP, you were subjected to a different matching criteria. In Florida, most latinos registered are GOP – big Cuban influence.
The evidence was there…and the NYT reporting only hit on a little of it. The BBC and others did a more thorough job and it was even more damaging.
“Name ONE instance where a person should have been.”
It continues…
Froma more liberal view – the Daily Kos:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...374/148/589714
Exactly WHY Should I do YOUR homework. There are books by people that do just that. One that does document it is a book by Greg Palast. His sources are cited and you may disagree with the conclusions but his citations are dead on. “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy”.
I read it a couple of years ago… Some of his stuff is BS…and other stuff like his attempt to interview the Florida office for elections…and their retreat…all filmed.
ACORN was NOT mentioned by name in the early draft of the bill. There was an option for organizations like ACORN…and that was thrown out VERY early…right after the original lack of oversight that Paulson asked for. So… Paulson and his approach were put out there by the Bush Admin…and that was the starting point – 2 ½ pages.
Graham is stretching the truth…wonder why a Republican would ever want to do that. He would also not know much since he is NOT on the committee that was drafting the bill for this…
Digital voting is rigged period.
x marks the spot is a proper ballot counted by many grannies across all the community centers and church halls in America.
Digital voting is fraud, that's all there is to it.
People don't seem to understand that a person can get a computer to do whatever they want it to and all they need is a little foreknowledge.
This is why casinos steal and rip off people to the tune of billions annually . because people are ignorant of how things work and how computers don't do anything without someone telling them exactly what to do.
simply refuse to use the machines and ask for a paper ballot.
To make it even worse, these machines do not even give an imitation of an audit trail.
Memory fails, but I believe itwas the Diebold version, if you did an audit to check a recount, it simply spat out what the local database on the machine had stored again.
Sorry, but that is NOT an audit.
An audit would be:
Voter uses machine, gets a paper receipt. The paper receipt is put into a vote box when the voter exits the booth.
If a recount is needed or an audit, the machine's memory is dumped as it is now...and then the receipt box is counted...and the d@mn well better agree...or the entire voting machine and all of them in use are in question.
Problem is that when just such a set of tests were done independently, the machines fail an inordinate number of times.
Fine if you are the one receiving the benefit..but you won't always be the one it works in favor of....UNLESS you are paying the piper....hmmmm....
Digital voting/Paper ballots/Whatever...If someone wants to find a way to cheat the system they will. However paper is probaly the safest. Give me a peice of paper with names on it and a magic marker to circle the candidate I want or vote for. Then I'll put it in a locked box which can only be opened by 2 or more people.
Voter fraud? It happens! But not to the extreme the conservatives would somehow lead you to believe. My guess is it happens on both side and that cancels all of it out.