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That Chan Heung got into a dispute over water rights and was beat in a fight, or in need of help, which Jeung Yim miraculously came out to help him. After that he learned a little and was sent to Choy Fok to learn and so forth.
That is not apart of Fut San Hung Sing history as it is passed down. The issue of water rights is completely foreign to me. Do you mean Ching Cho? We've never said jeung yim trained with Choy Fook.
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I remember when I was reading about the book, it more or less reminded me of over half a dozen other stories that people believe for one reason or another.
I can't even speak on that.
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As for Jeung Yim, he's actually a really cool guy to read about - no matter where you stand in the argument. I really hearing the histories that come from the Fut San masters because they always sound like true warriors and fighters, which is great and adds to the flavor of them. I think of all the branches of CLF, they really embody the spirit of the times the best personally.
The old masters were definitely some real warriors. i love hearing about their lives, especially of my own lineage. The history of my lineeage is an awesome one when you have the complete version. Jeung Yim, Yuen Hai, Chan Ngau Sing, Chan Wei Fong, Wu Qin, Liang Hui Hua, Tong Sek and so on. They were living and experiencing some very crazy times.
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Instead, from what I understand, he has said that the book was fiction created out of passion for Jeung Yim, and that Chan Ngau Sing had told him so much before.
however some of it is said to contain some truth as well. Still, that book has never been a tool for us. And, if we notice BS we will challenge it. even if it comes from our own branch. For example, there was an issue of when and how Jeung Yim died. was he poisoned? Killed? there were stories floating around so i kept looking. IN the end, the truth came out to be that Jeung Hung Sing fell ill and passed away. nothing more than that.
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I still find it interesting that there wasn't any mention of a difference between Chan Ngau Sing and Chan Yiu Chi's histories. To me, at least, it implies that the two teachers had the same concept of history.
A mention from who? Fut San people just kept quiet about things. no one had the idea of putting the information out there. My sifu was the first to put Jeung Yim's history as we knew it at that point on the internet.
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BTW, I really do like the idea of Chan Yuen Woo being a member of the Hung Mun, giving more links to it. If that is correct, then I could actually see an much stronger argument for Jeung Yim being a founder of a Hung Sing version of CLF. The way I would picture it, at least in my argument for it, would be that Chan Heung was more passive about the wars and fighting and all that stuff - whereas Jeung Yim was more active. I could see him going, whether by himself or by acceptance of Chan Heung, to the Green Grass Monk to get training and connections so that he would be able to do what he wanted to. From a historical and a human nature point of view, that makes more sense than most other arguments I have seen, actually. And I figure it fits Jeung Yim's personality, from what I know of him, better.
me too. hmmmmm interesting slant there. The Hung Mun essence is found all throughout Jeung Yim's lineage. I was visited today by a Hung Mun brother from Hawaii. During our conversation he mentioned something about a certain type of bow. He didn't know that it was part of Jeung Yim's lineage I never knew why Fut San does it that way. I was informed that it had a revolutionary meaning. i just learned this less than an hour ago. so now i know why there is an open right palm and closed left fist in our forms.