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Bad doesn't want to be on the wrong side of the revolution when it gets started.
PS I'm putting on my Che shirt as soon as I get home!
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So military have a different way of voting...how about reserve and national guard who are deployed. They are the ones this has been done to...and they have to request the ballots...and a few other things.
You really should look for sources of problems beyond your neo-con world. To deny even one person their right to vote when they are legit is --- ANTI-DEMOCRATIC...and dare I say it ANTI-AMERICAN. So...how anti-American are you?
And big at answering them. Try it sometime.
Here are 216:
http://www.cubaarchive.org/downloads/CA08.pdf
and now the voice of reason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL-9C...-congress.html
So he lied about that.
"Sen. Barack Obama's campaign Monday tried to draw a parallel between Sen. John McCain's involvement in the nearly 2-decade-old "Keating Five" scandal and the current economic crisis."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...rap/index.html
But don't worry, he's telling the truth about tax cuts. :rolleyes:
Considering the source I don't take a whole lot of stock in that. Sorry but you are going to have to provide an unbaised source.
Now if you want a real mass murderer let's loook at George Bush. I was reading an article over the weekend that estimates that 1.25 million Iraqis have died in Bush's war.......I'll have to dig that article up later tonight and post a link to it.
The ballots from before that you were talking about with the Democrats was done via the elections commissions and the courts....all open and in the light.
The mail out for people like the reservists and the national guard....and other people with the letter requiring response was totally under the covers. It took a couple of investigative journalists to uncover that one...and it WAS reported in the BBC.
Now, were this say, 1960, I would agree with you that the Democrats were really bad about disenfranchising voters. It was known as Jim Crow. Of course, if you are not old enough to remember Poll Tax and even the "Colored" water fountains, bathrooms, etc... I am...and do.
But what has happened since is that a large portion of those involved in that round of voter blocking have switched to the GOP. Same ideas, slightly different tactics...and they are no longer just against black people...but against lower economic levels...and progressives, and anyone who is not a neocon...and they are actively trying to prevent the vote from being taken on people they do not agree with.
Basically, if you can't win with the rules, chage them.
This is the GOP approach on voting, their approach on counting the vote is Deibold and ES&S...and then they dothings like notices to people about voting...that are actually suggestions that they NOT vote....
Again, all of this is available info if you read or listen to other sources...like the BBC...
But your frame is limited. You wish to disenfranchise. Explain to me with cited sources how many illegal votes you are going to cage out and how many legit voters are you going to deny their right to vote.
How can you claim to be American and deny any legit voter their right to vote.
Innocent until proven guilty...so PROVE the numbers are there...
Oh, right, that was tried with a REPUBLICAN attorney - the guy famed for A few good Men..the Tom Cruise character...
He was pressured to go after voter fraud...when his investigations showed it was not a problem...and when he refused again WITH the information that it was not going to go anywhere...he was fired....but those Alberto Gonzales things are in the past, right....
The most egregious examples of voter fraud or illegality in recent years has not been in the form of people who were not legal to vote voting...but rather legal voters being denied their right as a citizen.
This was a big part of the politization scandal of the Justice Dept....that, if you were to care to read about the state of the Justice Dept...., has left the Justice Dept. in a very bad way....
But rant on....scream loud enough and people will believe you.... but scream too loud and you become a target...
You guys want a good laugh? Check this out. When I first saw it I thought it was a Onion article:
CINCINNATI - As Wall Street reeled and global markets plunged, President Bush on Monday said the U.S. economy is going to be "just fine" in the long run. But he cautioned that the massive rescue plan will take time to work.
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Well GD!!!!!!! That just put my mine right at ease!
You're gonna have to go some to prove that, since the numbers say that roughly 20% more folks voted in 2004 than in 2000.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html
so a LITTLE disenfranchisement is OK?
The GOP and neocon approach is a long haul thing..,.and it is targeted. The tactics described are used in specific areas.
Such as the one in either New Mexico or Arizona. It is in small steps. Prevent a few from registering. Knock off a few here and there with Choicepoint type removal lists (statistically, the Choicepoint removal of voters from Florida was over 90% WRONG - and they were used in other states since 2000), Then you do intimidation with following people out and asking them for proof - hmmm... If anyone but a cop asks me for my ID, they get told a very quick "F YOU" And if it is a cop, he better have a reason...or I will be asking for his badge number, precinct, etc.... all politely...he is, after all, armed.
But all the small things add up.
Now, the illegal voting has been the war cry of the right...and so far, the investigations into it has come to not much... and the Justice Dept. doing the investigation is under the control of the GOP...and has been for 8 years.